Sorry this message was intented to be sent to the list.
(sorry gregg)
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Natalia Portillo [mailto:iosglpgc@teleline.es]
> Enviado el: viernes, 27 de junio de 2003 1:51
> Para: 'Gregg C Levine'
> Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
>
>
> I think that you can always compare with ice creams.
>
> UNIX is an ice cream brand.
> It have many flavours: Bell/AT&T, BSD, Xenix, AIX, A/UX,
> Coherent, etc.
> There are other brands.
> MINIX which have only a flavour.
> Linux, with many flavours as RedHat, YDL, Debian, etc
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] En nombre de Gregg C Levine
> > Enviado el: martes, 24 de junio de 2003 23:29
> > Para: 'Warren Toomey'; 'The Unix Heritage Society'
> > Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> >
> >
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Go ahead and laugh, but your server could be having a bad day today.
> > That being said, I am curious myself, as to the differences. Can
> > someone come up with the definite explanation regarding which is
> > which?
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke."Â Obi-Wan Kenobi
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> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Warren Toomey
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:22 PM
> > > To: The Unix Heritage Society
> > > Subject: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it is.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
> > > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
> > > To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>,
> > <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
> > >
> > > I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a
> > derivative.
> > > :-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after things
> > > started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
> > > indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant'
> (Coherent? XINU?)
> > from
> > > a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
> > >
> > > FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to
> 8086 (I recall
> > > buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so
> years ago). Is
> > > that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current
> > version(s)
> > > of XINU are available at
> > http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
> > > according to Google. -- Ian
> > > _______________________________________________
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Okay. That's almost how I describe the state of the art to my friends,
and co-workers, and even customers. But shouldn't you have sent this
to the list as well as to me?
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."Â Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Natalia Portillo [mailto:iosglpgc@teleline.es]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM
> To: 'Gregg C Levine'
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
>
> I think that you can always compare with ice creams.
>
> UNIX is an ice cream brand.
> It have many flavours: Bell/AT&T, BSD, Xenix, AIX, A/UX, Coherent,
etc.
> There are other brands.
> MINIX which have only a flavour.
> Linux, with many flavours as RedHat, YDL, Debian, etc
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] En nombre de Gregg C Levine
> > Enviado el: martes, 24 de junio de 2003 23:29
> > Para: 'Warren Toomey'; 'The Unix Heritage Society'
> > Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> >
> >
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Go ahead and laugh, but your server could be having a bad day
today.
> > That being said, I am curious myself, as to the differences. Can
> > someone come up with the definite explanation regarding which is
> > which?
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke."Â Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Warren Toomey
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:22 PM
> > > To: The Unix Heritage Society
> > > Subject: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it
is.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
> > > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
> > > To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>,
> > <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
> > >
> > > I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a
> > derivative.
> > > :-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after
things
> > > started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
> > > indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant' (Coherent?
XINU?)
> > from
> > > a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
> > >
> > > FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to 8086 (I
recall
> > > buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so years ago).
Is
> > > that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current
> > version(s)
> > > of XINU are available at
> > http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
> > > according to Google. -- Ian
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TUHS mailing list
> > > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
Just guessing,
Any of these antique VAX and other machines running UNIXes arrived my
islands?
Does anybody know?
Is there a possibility for a museum (my computer museum) to get one of
these machines?
Thanks to all ;)
Just noticed in the publication data for "The UNIX Programming Environment"
that
it was created on a VAX 11/750 running V7 UNIX. How is this possible? I have
an 11/750 and V7 is my favorite UNIX... if I could do this, it would be
awesome.
Anyone have any insights?
I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it is.
Warren
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>, <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a derivative.
:-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after things
started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant' (Coherent? XINU?) from
a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to 8086 (I recall
buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so years ago). Is
that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current version(s)
of XINU are available at http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
according to Google. -- Ian
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Lowenstein [mailto:cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:46 PM
> To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org; robin.birch(a)royalmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pups] PDP11 C
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> > Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
> >
> > Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
>
> Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
> mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
>
> carl
>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
>
> Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
carl
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clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
Just to keep it Unix-like, I wrote enblock, which takes a file in stdin
a produces a tape file on stdout in SIMH-format. It takes one option,
the block size, which defaults to 512. It writes an end of file mark
after each run. To write more than one file on one tape, type
enblock <file1 >tape ; enblock <file2 >>tape
to write an end of tape mark, type
enblock </dev/null >>tape
You'll find enblock.c at
http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/enblock.c
>Hi,
>
>Harti's p11 comes with mktape which when given a control file will turn a set
>of files into a tape image. Is there anything like this for SIMH PDP-11?
>
>Thanks,
>Ken
Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Regards
Robin
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