Hi Everyone,
This is slightly off topic I know but does anyone have a PDP11 C run time library
reference manual that they can either scan for me or send me so that I can
photocopy it.
Regards
Robin
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Hello,
I have located 30 boot floppies for AT&T UNIX SVR4.0 2.1 for the 386
Apparently, only SCSI hard drive controllers are supported. I don't have a
machine with a SCSI hard drive (and I'd rather not sacrifice a live
machine to svr4.)
I tried booting in in bochs, and it sort of works, but it panics
relatively early. I suspect it's for the lack of SCSI emulation in bochs,
but I'm not sure.
I'm trying to find whatever source code there is on those floppies. I've
grepped through the disk images, and I did find some source code in the
clear. However, I suspect I haven't yet found the kernel source (which is
what I'm after.) Disks 13 and 14 have an actual filesystem on them, but
many (all?) of the other disks appear to be laid out as flat arrays of
bytes without much (any?) filesystem information. The fs on disks 13 and
14 doesn't appear to be completely standard sysv, at least according to my
rh8 box.
Anyone knows enough about this operating system to help me out? Perhaps
some hints as to where the kernel sources might be located, how they are
encoded? (I hope the kernel sources are in fact on the disks!)
Sebastien Loisel
All,
I just received this from Sebastien Loisel. I don't have any recent
SysV sources, but I though I'd pass this on to the mailing list in
case anybody else can help Sebastien.
Warren
----- Forwarded message from "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca> -----
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:44:21 -0400
From: "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: System V
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org
Hello,
I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm interested in the current Unix debacle.
I'm diffing linux kernel sources against Unix sources, and I've written
a program to do that efficiently, but I'm afraid that what Unix sources
I can locate aren't actually relevant (I've been using what I can find
at minnie.tuhs.org...)
I know that a lot of people have the correct sources and that they were
even available for download on the web, so I was wondering if you could
hook me up somehow?
I'm a researcher at McGill university in Montreal
(http://www.math.mcgill.ca/loisel/) and I would only be using that
source code for research. I intend to diff the files and then provide a
list of similar files, and I hope to quote the common portions (assuming
they are short enough for "fair use.")
If you can't help me, can you tell me someone who could?
Thank you very much,
Sebastien Loisel
----- End forwarded message -----
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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andru
actually it's indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer to the
actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C compiler and
an assembler in the distribution ,
I am currently using 2.0.3 and I like it except for few reservations about
its developments tools , it's nice in the way unix purist used to like
versions 6 and 7 , small efficient neat and trying hard to become fully
posix .
the development tools aren't as good as they should be I don't like the ACK
(amersterdam compiler kit) it feels gaged but its latest c compiler is
highly ansi compatible , its assembler is a close cousin to the old
assembler in IBM PC/IX version of unix.
to answer natalia
you can run it in two modes 16 bit and 32 bit check the 2.0.3 distribution
page there are several packages 86/286/386 , don't bother with the so called
2.0.0. or CD distribution it's old., the real nice touch is the version that
runs in dos under windows , it's cute but be aware not everything works in
due to the limited resources , but I like it for quick hacks.
minix was done for educational purposes the book published by AST the guy
behind minix contains complete source code and oriented towards students .
here's the direct link to 2.0.3.
http://www.cs.vu.nl/pub/minix/2.0.3/
good luck
>From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>Reply-To: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>To: Natalia Portillo <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>
>CC: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Andru Luvisi wrote:
>[snip]
> > Minix is available and under a BSD like license. I don't know if it
>will
> > suit you since it isn't derived from AT&T code, and the source for the
>for
> > the compiler is not included.
> >
> > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html
>
>I spoke too soon. Apparently the sources for ACK are now available:
> ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/pub/kjb/ACK/ACK-5.2.tar.gz
>
>Andru
>--
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>
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> Heisenberg may have been here.
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natalia
check also comp.os.minix it's active.
zmkm
>From: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>
>To: <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
>Subject: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:08:28 +0100
>
>Is it possible to get a UNIX that runs on a 8086 or 8088 PC?
>Or for 80286 or 80386?
>
>Xenix?
>AT&T?
>SCO?
>Interactive UNIX?
>
>Where please?
>
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andru
I should've known better before I rush my reply :-) , what I meant was since
gnu cpio can uncompress those cpio files , so I assumed that it can be
uncompressed booted and re packaged as a single .dsk image (like the unix7
thing) , but since I have no background in pdp11 hardware I am not sure how
can this be done.
cheers.
zmkm
>From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>Reply-To: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>To: zmkm zmkm <new_zmkm(a)hotmail.com>
>CC: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Installing SysIII on simh?
>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> >
> > Andu
> >
> > wouldn't be easier to load it through dsk (I mean download the complete
>tar
> > and make a dsk out of it) .
>
>I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Here is how I was planning to do
>the install:
>
> 1) Boot from tape
> 2) Install miniroot on disk
> 3) Boot from disk
> 4) Untar rest of installation onto disk from tar tape file
>
>The instructions in usr/src/man/docs/setup (in the tar file) talk about
>using cpio and cpio format tape files instead of tar, but all I have is a
>tar file.
>
>I have not managed to finish step 3.
>
>Andru
>--
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>
>
>
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> Appel's method avoids making a large number of small trampoline bounces
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Hi,
I'm trying to locate a PDP-11 bootstrap for a TS11 or TU80.
I've created a unix v7m distribution tape and want to try and install
from it.
Thanks.
--
TTFN - Guy
Whitesmith under the capable guidance of Plauger - who else - came up with
Idris. And a number of other Un*x clones were duly written at about the same
time, according to:
http://www.robotwisdom.com/linux/nonnix.html
The question is, is it possible to get ahold of those for the early Un*x
hobbyist? Does anyone have any knowledge of their whereabouts, and
(potential) legal statii?
Wesley Parish
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You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
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