I've assembled some notes from old manuals and other sources
on the formats used for on-disk file systems through the
Seventh Edition:
http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~norman/old-unix/old-fs.html
Additional notes, comments on style, and whatnot are welcome.
(It may be sensible to send anything in the last two categories
directly to me, rather than to the whole list.)
I know that there must be some setup guides for BSD2.11 still floating around there, but I have not been able to find anything.. Here is what I am trying to do:
I noticed that the sim2.3d+BB1 emulator will allow you to connect Unix "devices" to the DL1 lines. I set it to connect the serial port on my Linux box, and connected a IBM 3151 (VT100 like terminal), and it worked great! Taking this a step further, I took the serial port and moved it to my Cisco router (the aux port).. I have been trying to configure SL/IP on it.. I first setup my Linux box to connect to the router via slip so that I can verify my cisco config. I am having trouble on the BSD side.. As far as I can tell it is not routing replys over the sl0 interface.. (Or the emulator is cooking the serial data...) A final test I tried to connect to copies of sim2.3d+BB1 via pty's.. same thing. The good part is when you try to telnet from the router, you can see the socket accept on the BSD side.. The BSD box seems not to reply.. Additionally I saw some stuff on increasing the size of CBLOCK in param.h (my default was 32, I tried 64), which seemed to have no effect.
I started SL/IP by running
slattach ttyl1 9600
then
ifconfig sl0 10.1.1.1 10.1.1.2 up
by default as this I can't ping the 10.1.1.1 (my side).. so I added a route
route add 10.1.1.1 127.0.0.1 0
I don't know if I have to do this... Oh the image that I'm using is the 2.11_rp_unknown from the archive.. (It has a note that it is patch level 400.) Also the person that maintains BSD 2.11's site is down.. bummer..
Sorry for the rambling!
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> From: PUP <jstevep(a)tron.superglobalmegacorp.com>
I've taken the liberty of adding <\n> characters - something about 1k
character lines bugs me ;)
> I know that there must be some setup guides for BSD2.11 still floating
> around there, but I have not been able to find anything.. Here is what I
/usr/doc/2.10/setup.2.11
bit of a misnomer and it's a long enough story I won't bother anyone
with the details. That's the raw troff sources though. If it's the
formatted version that is wanted there should be a copy in the 2.11
portion of the PUPS/TUHS section of the archive. It shows up at
PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD and there are also complete tarballs
and a dump of the root filesystem all at rev level 431. It should be
a simple matter of putting the bits on tape/disk (using the makesimtape
or similar utility provided with the emulator being used). At that
point the normal 2.11 installation process can be followed - there have
only been 5 updates since then (432 thru 436) so catching up wouldn't be
hard at all.
> I noticed that the sim2.3d+BB1 emulator will allow you to connect Unix
> "devices" to the DL1 lines. I set it to connect the serial port on my Linux
> box, and connected a IBM 3151 (VT100 like terminal), and it worked great!
Probably doing 7E1 and just about anything would work with that ;)
> Taking this a step further, I took the serial port and moved it to my Cisco
> router (the aux port).. I have been trying to configure SL/IP on it..
That'll definitely require a 'raw' or 8bit clean path and I don't know
if the sim2.3d does that or not - never tried it. The stock sim2.3d
doesn't appear to have extra serial line support - or if it does it
isn't obvious. Perhaps that is what the BB1 part is about.
> I first setup my Linux box to connect to the router via slip so that I can
> verify my cisco config. I am having trouble on the BSD side.. As far as I
> can tell it is not routing replys over the sl0 interface.. (Or the emulator
> is cooking the serial data...)
That's a real possibility. The 'slattach' command on the 11 side will
take care of setting all the modes so that an 8bit path is obtained. If
the emulator is stripping the parity bit (which wouldn't show up in the
normal "hook a terminal up" test) then SL/IP will obviously have
problems.
You might have better luck with the Begemot emulator P11. No need for
SL/IP since P11 has an emulated DEQNA ethernet driver.
> A final test I tried to connect to copies of sim2.3d+BB1 via pty's.. same
> thing. The good part is when you try to telnet from the router, you can see
> the socket accept on the BSD side.. The BSD box seems not to reply..
> Additionally I saw some stuff on increasing the size of CBLOCK in param.h
> (my default was 32, I tried 64), which seemed to have no effect.
I'd not muck about with CBLOCK - it doesn't really buy much and from
the sounds of things aren't getting anywhere near the conditions that
comment was aimed at.
> I started SL/IP by running
> slattach ttyl1 9600
> then
> ifconfig sl0 10.1.1.1 10.1.1.2 up
That should be all that's necessary
> by default as this I can't ping the 10.1.1.1 (my side).. so I added a route
>
> route add 10.1.1.1 127.0.0.1 0
> I don't know if I have to do this...
You shouldn't have to do that because in /etc/netstart, if things are
set up right you would have:
slattach ttyl1 9600
ifconfig sl0 10.1.1.1 10.1.1.2 up
route add $hostname localhost 0
route add default $default 1
So if 'hostname' and 'default' are set at the top of the file all the
routing is all set to go. Just make sure that 'ifconfig sl0' happens
before 'ifconfig lo0 ...'. Also, by default the C library is compiled
to use DNS resolver routines so it will likely be necessary to use
a combination of numeric IP addresses and entries in /etc/hosts
> Oh the image that I'm using is the 2.11_rp_unknown from the archive..
> (It has a note that it is patch level 400.)
That is fairly old, but SL/IP hasn't changed since the system came out
eons ago.
> Also the person that maintains BSD 2.11's site is down.. bummer..
It has _never_ been down except for a reboot the other day to install
another 512MB of memory a week or so ago. With a 1400VA UPS the
system can ride out most of the power problems California's having.
If the FTP site here is unreachable you might try going to the mirror
at FTP.TO.GD-ES.COM - all the updates are in /pub/2.11BSD
Steven Schultz
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In article by Steven M. Schultz:
>> I noticed that the sim2.3d+BB1 emulator will allow you to connect Unix
>> "devices" to the DL1 lines. I set it to connect the serial port on my Linux
>> box, and connected a IBM 3151 (VT100 like terminal), and it worked great!
>
> Probably doing 7E1 and just about anything would work with that ;)
>
> > Taking this a step further, I took the serial port and moved it to my Cisco
> > router (the aux port).. I have been trying to configure SL/IP on it..
>
> That'll definitely require a 'raw' or 8bit clean path and I don't know
> if the sim2.3d does that or not - never tried it. The stock sim2.3d
> doesn't appear to have extra serial line support - or if it does it
> isn't obvious. Perhaps that is what the BB1 part is about.
I can confirm that sim2.3d is not 8-bit clean on output. I got bitten
on this when working on Vtserver, and I tore my hair out for a whole day.
443c449
< if ((temp = sim_putchar (tto_unit.buf & 0177)) != SCPE_OK) return temp;
---
> if ((temp = sim_putchar (tto_unit.buf)) != SCPE_OK) return temp;
It is 8-bit clean on input.
Warren
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Thanks for the pointer, I found the part you mentioned for the ASCII clean up and removed them from the DL11 and KL11 drivers, and noticed that I need to detect the 0 device so the console is usable =) but the big thing is that I telneted into the VM using slip ok!!!!
Thanks again, I didn't know what to look for in the source (I was looking @ the other half in the attach stuff not I/O (doh!))
If you want/need I'll gladly diff mine out...
Oh btw Steven, every time I try to ftp the site, I get connection closed.. It
's definatly "up" but I can't get to it.. does your site try to reverse lookup clients? if so, that's the issue.. I don't have reverse entries for dns.
Thanks again!
Hi all,
In case you're trying to get a hold of John Wilson, or were going to look at
his
web site... no go. Due to a fairly serious ISP, uhh, "issue", his machine
died
on him.
I talked to him last night, and he was going to see if he could revive his
(co-lo)
machine, or would have to install a new one.
Cheers,
Fred
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All,
The machine which hosts the pups mailing list,
minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, is going to change its domain name in mid-July.
To help alleviate any problems, I have taken out a separate domain,
and have put in aliases to the current minnie address, and will migrate
the aliases to the new address when the time comes.
So, if possible could you send e-mail to the pups mailing list
using the address
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from now on.
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Hi,
In "SETTING UP UNIX - Sixth Edition" some documents are mentioned
that are not in the V6 distribution (v6doc in from Dennis or the
corresponding part of the tape from Ken Wellsch). These are:
(numbers from the cover page)
10. NROFF Users' Manual
12. A Manual for the Tmg compiler-writing Language
14. The M6 Macro Processor
15. A System for Typewriting Mathematics
16. DC - An interactive desk calculator
Does anyone know, why these docs were not included in the distribution
if they are somewhere on minnies disks? I am only searching for the V6 docs,
not V7, where these files were distributed. Just curious.
Wolfgang
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I recall stumbling across them in an odd place in Ken Wellsch's
distribution. I'll try to remember to look when I get home (it's on my
PDP-11) and send another mail -- Ian
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From: Wolfgang Helbig [mailto:helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE]
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Subject: [pups] missing V6 Docs
Hi,
In "SETTING UP UNIX - Sixth Edition" some documents are mentioned that
are not in the V6 distribution (v6doc in from Dennis or the
corresponding part of the tape from Ken Wellsch). These are: (numbers
from the cover page)
10. NROFF Users' Manual
12. A Manual for the Tmg compiler-writing Language
14. The M6 Macro Processor
15. A System for Typewriting Mathematics
16. DC - An interactive desk calculator
Does anyone know, why these docs were not included in the distribution
if they are somewhere on minnies disks? I am only searching for the V6
docs, not V7, where these files were distributed. Just curious.
Wolfgang
