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by Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai

If you believe Mr Sontag's words of course. I sincerely wonder what kind of medication the guy is using. http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html Best part: At this point I started to think about the public interest and about restrictive monopolies laws. It was almost as though Sontag was reading my mind.and yes, SCO has that base covered too. I listened to how IBM has bypassed U.S. export controls with Linux. How "Syria and Libya and North Korea" are all building supercomputers with Linux and inexpensive Intel hardware, in violation of U.S. export control laws. These laws would normally restrict export of technologies such as JFS, NUMA, RCU, and SMP.and, (I was waiting for this) "encryption technologies." "We know that is occurring in Syria," I heard, even though my mind was fogging over at this point. "So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" was Sontag's answer. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai / a capoeirista PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7 9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/ Is there a place deep within, a place where you hide your darkest Sins..?

21 years, 7 months

Re: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

by zmkm zmkm

Michael I dont agree with you on this , your complain about linux is unfair , on the contrary to many unixers especially the new generation of hackers and new unix users even those users fed up with Microsoft gimmicks , linux was miracle touch that helped to re energize the otherwise stale unix market , simply look at the market today which operating system has grown beyond any expectations ? . Another thing , in the days of corporate greed and bullying a-la-microsoft way, linux played a significant role to cement the open source movement. Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why it didnt burst in the open ? , its troubles doesnt have anything to do with linux its been there way before linux surfaced. I will not go into this flame war which is better BSD or Linux because both are dear to me and each has its own strong points and weaknesses . Finally , this whole nonsense from SCO wouldn't be there if SCO had any good products to offer or enjoying good revenue , so this law suite shows how desperate SCO is sinking in the red and using this law suite to float itself again . Love it or hate it linux is here to stay J . _______________ preparing for eventual flame war , automatic sprinkler = check fire extinguishers = check fire fighting water hose = check fire proof suite and helmet = check all systems go . zmkm >From: msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) >To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org >Subject: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 03 14:01:08 PDT > >Here is my response to SCO vs. Linux. The thing is, some of the things they >are >saying I agree with most emphatically, except that what those things really >support is not SCO but our TUHS cause. Their main line, at least as I >interpret >it, is that UNIX is the real OS, UNIX is better than Linux, and Linux is >just a >naughty child that is becoming more and more of a nuisance to the adults. I >agree wholeheartedly! I and many other UNIX bigots have been more vocal >about >this than SCO. > >BUT... UNIX is not what SCO means by this term, UNIX is V7 -> 4BSD! That is >the >real UNIX, USG is just a bad commercialized branch that no one ever really >liked anyway! So to all those Fortune 1000 (or whatever that was) companies >warned by SCO to stop running Linux, they should throw out those cheap >micros, >put all their old large VAXen back online, and run True UNIX, 4.3 BSD UNIX! >And >that *is* real UNIX, it comes directly from V7 and openly and proudly >admits to >this fact! Isn't an OS that openly and proudly admits to come directly from >Holy UNIX better than a cheap UNIX copycat that needs to be sued in court >to >determine what the hell it really is? > >But SCO probably won't be too happy about it as they just gave away the >True >UNIX (V7) to the World for free, and it's non-retractable. > >So if anything good comes out of this lawsuit it's that maybe, just maybe, >BSD >will finally get some attention and use over Linux. The Free Computing >community doesn't have to suffer any loss whatsoever if SCO wins, we can >instead just switch from Linux to the much better True UNIX, which is just >as >free but a lot more solid, mature, and True. And stick it to SCO and laugh >diabolically at how they voluntarily made UNIX free without us having to >seize >it by force in a revolution. > >MS (donning the flameproof spacesuit) >_______________________________________________ >TUHS mailing list >TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org >http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

21 years, 7 months

[TUHS] Pirates Of Penguinance (Apologies to Gilbert, Sullivan, and most of humanity)

by Kenneth Stailey

http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PiratesOfPenguinance __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

21 years, 7 months

Re: Your message to TUHS awaits moderator approval

by Jim Capp

Hmmm, I thought I *was* a member ... is it possible I am a member as jcapp(a)kp.net? or jcapp(a)acm.org? Do I need to submit under another address or am I missing the boat? Thanks, Jim On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:32:44PM +1000, tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > Your mail to 'TUHS' with the subject > > Another response to SCO vs. Linux > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/confirm/tuhs/de9265d7287d853c78061cb586498f9…

21 years, 7 months

Another response to SCO vs. Linux

by Jim Capp

Hi All, I have been an avid UNIX fan since 1983 when I read my first UNIX manual and realized the power and flexibility of the command line utilities and portability of the C compiler. I have used many flavors of *NIX and the companies I worked for sold a lot of SCO products. However, it became increasingly annoying to have to spend an extra $1,000 to get a C compiler. Beginning in 1994, we began replacing AT&T Unix, SCO Xenix, and SCO Unix with Linux. The final straw for us using SCO was when a major client upgraded their system from a 2-CPU NCR to a 4-CPU Gateway and it took us hours to locate all the necessary drivers to make it fly. Then afterwards, the client could not find their license materials. Just for fun, we popped in a RH7.1 version of Linux and it booted fine, located all the hardware and installed itself in about a half-hour. It has been running that way for the last two years. We had another client simply upgrade their SCO Unix system from a Pentium-100 to a Pentium III. After spending hours trying to move their SCO license and finding out that the bootloaders didn't like *something* (unknown to this day) we went back to the customer and suggested another path. Today, that system is running Linux/Apache/PHP/PostgreSQL. The bottom line is that Linux works well. The fact that it is nearly free (cost of media/downloads/time etc.) is a nice bonus. IMHO, SCO is a victim of their own design (who would symbolically link 1,000 files to some strange /opt/SCO/.../.../etc/init.d/....??? I guess when your business models don't pan out, you can always sue somebody ... especially when someone like Microsoft gives you the money. Do you really think Microsoft would pay $10,000,000 to anyone else without a fight and without trying every other business tactic that they have used in the past? Finally, to threaten pulling IBM's AIX license unless they "settle" is hubris. My only fear is that a judge might think 80 out of 2.5 million lines of code has some significant value :-/ I sincerely hope the dialogue of practical arguments against SCO that I have seen in this list make it to the right people in defense of IBM. Sincerely, Jim Capp

21 years, 7 months

Re: SCO vs IBM: what unix patents?

by Dennis Ritchie

Arnold asked, > Just out of curiousity, what patents are there in the current Unix System V > system? The setuid patent was released to the public, so that can't be > an issue. And copyright, trade secrets, blah blah, I can understand. But > I'm curious what is there in System V that has actually been patented? One article I read mentioned three, all visible in the USPTO database: 5,652,854 (filed 1995, granted 1997, assigned to Novell) 5,265,250 (filed 1990, granted 1993, originally assigned to AT&T) 6,097,384 (filed 1995, granted 2000, assigned to Novell) The first has to do with page table mapping and virtual address space, the second with RPC, the third with managing memory in subobjects. I have no idea how central these are to the case. They appear rather peripheral to me. Dennis

21 years, 7 months

The Open Group vs. SCO

by Kenneth Stailey

http://www.opengroup.org/ Who Owns UNIX�? You may have seen recent press articles announcing that SCO is the owner of UNIX or has licensed UNIX to Microsoft. Such statements are inaccurate, misleading and cause considerable confusion. The Open Group has owned the registered trademark UNIX since 1994. Here http://www.opengroup.org/comm/press/who-owns-unix.htm is what we said in response to a Linux Weekly News article last week. Also available is a backgrounder http://www.opengroup.org/comm/press/unix-backgrounder.htm that explains the history and reasons why The Open Group takes action on trademark misuse. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

21 years, 7 months

This is too weird

by Kenneth Stailey

http://www.sco.com/scosource/ Way to weird: http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxqanda.html Q: What is SVR6? A: SVR6 is the code name for the next-generation operating platform designed to take advantage of Web services and is the foundation of our SCOx strategy. As the owners of the UNIX operating system, it is incumbent upon SCO to advance the UNIX kernel for both 32-bit and 64-bit architectures. This will be accomplished through the support of key industry partners who will also contribute to this next-generation platform. SVR6 will be formally announced at our upcoming SCO Forum event to be held in Las Vegas, Nevada on August 17-19 at the MGM Grand Hotel. It just keeps getting weirder: http://www.sco.com/scosource/unixtree/unixhistory01.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

21 years, 7 months

SCO to have violated GPL?

by Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai

As seen on Slashdot: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1123176,00.asp Some members of the open-source community are claiming that the SCO Group may have violated the terms of the GNU GPL (General Public License) by incorporating source code from the Linux kernel into the Linux Kernel Personality feature found in SCO Unix without giving the changes back to the community or displaying copyright notices attributing the code to Linux. A source close to SCO, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told eWEEK that parts of the Linux kernel code were copied into the Unix System V source tree by former or current SCO employees. That could violate the conditions of the GNU GPL, which states that any amendments to open-source code used in a commercial product must be given back to the community or a copyright notice must be displayed attributable to Linux, he said. The source, who has seen both the Unix System V source code and the Linux source code and who assisted with a SCO project to bring the two kernels closer together, said that SCO "basically re-implemented the Linux kernel with functions available in the Unix kernel to build what is now known as the Linux Kernel Personality (LKP) in SCO Unix." The LKP is a feature that allows users to run standard Linux applications along with standard Unix applications on a single system using the UnixWare kernel. "During that project we often came across sections of code that looked very similar, in fact we wondered why even variable names were identical. It looked very much like both codes had the same origin, but that was good as the implementation of 95 percent of all Linux system calls on the Unix kernel turned out to be literally 'one-liners'," the source said. Only a handful of system calls.socketcall, ipc and clone.were fairly difficult to implement as they involved the obvious differentiators between Linux and Unix: networking, inter-process communication and kernel threads, the source said. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai / a capoeirista PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7 9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/ I am the impossibility...

21 years, 7 months

SCO vs IBM: what unix patents?

by Aharon Robbins

Just out of curiousity, what patents are there in the current Unix System V system? The setuid patent was released to the public, so that can't be an issue. And copyright, trade secrets, blah blah, I can understand. But I'm curious what is there in System V that has actually been patented? Thanks, Arnold

21 years, 7 months

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