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by Michael Sokolov

Hello everyone, As I'm trying to determine the exact configuration of the VAX 6000 I have just acquired, I have the following very stupid question: how in the world do you pull a VAXBI or XMI board out of the backplane? It's definitely nothing like any UNIBUS or Q-bus stuff I have worked with so far. UNIBUS and Q-bus both use Mxxxx series modules, but VAXBI and XMI use Txxxx series ones, which look quite different mechanically. There is a long black bar hanging over each slot, including empty ones, but no fiddling with it makes the board come out. Could someone please explain to me how to pull VAXBI and XMI boards out and put them back in? TIA. Special Agent Michael Sokolov Harhan Computer Operation Facility International Free Computing Task Force Phone: +1-216-761-3656 ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)harrier.Uznet.NET

26 years, 1 month

Re: TOC of Sun3 SunOS 4.1.1 tapes (what about sunos 4.1???)

by rdkeys＠unity.ncsu.edu

> While rummaging I found this. Thought some one might find it useful. Yes indeedy.... I had a paper copy of that, but it is nice to get an electronic copy. > SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering > ARCH sun3 > VOLUME 1 > Vol File Name Size Type > 1 0 boot 32768 image > 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc > 1 2 munix 729600 image > 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image Speaking of 4.1.1 bits, I have a 4.1 tape for the early sun4 machines that has bad spots in the usr file system and beyond on Tape 1 of 2. Up to that point (the first 6 files) tape 1 is fine, and tape 2 is fine. Anyone have the usr tarballs and later from a sun4 sunos 4.1 tape 1 that I could use to rewrite my tape? Right now I a using bits from the 4.1.1 CD, but it would be nice to have the original 4.1 files so that I could fully rewrite the tape with the correct bits. What I would like to do is pull the reels out of a good fresh tape, and put them into the Sun badged cartridge, and rewrite it. My 4/260 box would be much appreciative, for the long haul. Any suggestions or leads to the mystical files are appreciated. Is there a tally of how many of us are doing the old vme sun bit? I run 3 12-slot boxes and 1 3-slot box, with 3/110, 3/160, 3/200, 4/110, 4/260 configurations, depending upon how the boards are swapped on any given day. Yeah, I know, it ain't one of our treasured PDP-11 toyz, but it a lot easier to find in the dustbins here and there.....(:+}}... Bob Keys

26 years, 2 months

Re: UNIX Heritage Society Digest V1 #78

by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432

The standard SunOS comand to move the tape is mt -f /dev/nrst0 rew mt -f /dev/nrst0 fsf 1 You need to use the non-rewinding device, /dev/nrst0, not /dev/rst0 which rewinds the tape automatically. Then you might try either tar tvfb /dev/nrst0 20b or dd if=/dev/nrst0 of=dd.out.file bs=20b Trying to recall what the format of the files on the sun tape were. Humm.... Wonder if I still have my copy tape script.... Rummage around with find... found it. It is attached at the end. A pretty stupid script now that I look at it. But it did the trick to copy tapes from disk dd images. I leave it as an excersize to write the script to copy the tape to disk. BTW, the tapes were only 20 Mb in those days. Hope this helps RLH Proud owner of a Sun 100U > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. Check out our web based < > sendmail.cf file generator: http://www.harker.com/gen.sendmail.cf < > For info about our "Managing Internet Mail, Setting Up and Trouble < > Shooting sendmail and DNS" and a schedule of dates and locations, < > please send email to info(a)harker.com, or visit www.harker.com < Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239 #! /bin/sh mt -f /dev/rst8 ret dd if=/dev/rst8 of=tape1.file0 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 1 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file1 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 2 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file2 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 3 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file3 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 4 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file4 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 5 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file5 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 6 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file6 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 7 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file7 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 8 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file8 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 9 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file9 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 10 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file10 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 11 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file11 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 12 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file12 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 13 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file13 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 14 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file14 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 15 dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file15 bs=126b mt -f /dev/rst8 rew Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA21117 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:00:40 +1000 (EST) >From "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Thu May 6 08:56:32 1999 Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [192.102.231.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21112 for <pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:00:28 +1000 (EST) Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA23418 for pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Message-Id: <199905052256.PAA23418(a)harker.harker.com> To: pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: TOC of Sun3 SunOS 4.1.1 tapes Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk While rummaging I found this. Thought some one might find it useful. Hope this helps RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. Check out our web based < > sendmail.cf file generator: http://www.harker.com/gen.sendmail.cf < > For info about our "Managing Internet Mail, Setting Up and Trouble < > Shooting sendmail and DNS" and a schedule of dates and locations, < > please send email to info(a)harker.com, or visit www.harker.com < Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239 SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering ARCH sun3 VOLUME 1 Vol File Name Size Type 1 0 boot 32768 image 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc 1 2 munix 729600 image 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image 1 4 mini-root 7168000 image 1 5 root 74309 tarZ 1 6 usr 11609002 tarZ 1 7 Kvm 2042991 tarZ 1 8 Install 375409 tarZ 1 9 Networking 368239 tarZ 1 10 System_V 1624303 tarZ 1 11 Sys 1824146 tarZ 1 12 SunView_Users 978709 tarZ 1 13 SunView_Demo 196393 tarZ 1 14 Text 286755 tarZ 1 15 Demo 2132420 tarZ 1 16 OpenWindows_Users 10627838 tarZ 1 17 OpenWindows_Demo 2235385 tarZ 1 18 OpenWindows_Fonts 7180441 tarZ 1 19 User_Diag 1362467 tarZ 1 20 Manual 2653437 tarZ 1 21 TLI 18976 tarZ 1 22 RFS 338005 tarZ 1 23 Debugging 1141193 tarZ 1 24 SunView_Programmers 696087 tarZ 1 25 Shlib_Custom 748155 tarZ 1 26 Graphics 1219433 tarZ 1 27 uucp 226513 tarZ 1 28 Copyright 1536 image 2 0 XDRTOC 4096 toc 2 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc 2 2 Games 1558603 tarZ 2 3 Versatec 2383297 tarZ 2 4 Security 203109 tarZ 2 5 OpenWindows_Programmers 3916907 tarZ 2 6 Patch_IPC 139264 tarZ 2 7 Patch_C++_2.0 2953216 tarZ 2 8 Patch_TAAC 20480 tarZ 2 9 Copyright 1536 image Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA21141 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:03:09 +1000 (EST) >From "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Thu May 6 08:59:03 1999 Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [192.102.231.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21136 for <pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:02:59 +1000 (EST) Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA23434 for pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Message-Id: <199905052259.PAA23434(a)harker.harker.com> To: pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Looking for Sun2 Multibus SCSI board Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I am looking for a Sun2 Mutlibus SCSI board, no cables. Will give it a good home, pay money (some), or trade for other Sun2 Mutlibus stuff. If you need Sun2 Mutlibus boards I have some spares. Drop a request. Thanks in advance RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. Check out our web based < > sendmail.cf file generator: http://www.harker.com/gen.sendmail.cf < > For info about our "Managing Internet Mail, Setting Up and Trouble < > Shooting sendmail and DNS" and a schedule of dates and locations, < > please send email to info(a)harker.com, or visit www.harker.com < Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22062 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:13:25 +1000 (EST) >From Joerg Micheel <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Thu May 6 15:09:17 1999 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22057 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:13:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg(a)lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22179 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:18 +1200 (NZST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA01649 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:17 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:17 +1200 From: Joerg Micheel <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Interview with Ken Thompson in COMPUTER Message-ID: <19990506170917.A1630(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi there, I found this one quite interesting reading: http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, SCMS Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22082 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:16:50 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu May 6 15:12:40 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22077 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:16:41 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA10788; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:12:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199905060512.PAA10788(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Interview with Ken Thompson in COMPUTER In-Reply-To: <19990506170917.A1630(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> from Joerg Micheel at "May 6, 1999 5: 9:17 pm" To: joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz (Joerg Micheel) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:12:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Joerg Micheel: > Hi there, > > I found this one quite interesting reading: > > http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm >Joerg Yes, I should link it on the PUPS/TUHS pages. Thanks Joerg. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22960 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:31:54 +1000 (EST)

26 years, 2 months

Usenix archives?

by Tim Shoppa

A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed or edited form? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA07967 for pups-liszt; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:27 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon May 3 09:03:24 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07962 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:19 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA41888; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199905022303.JAA41888(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Usenix archives? In-Reply-To: <990502174247.20c01252(a)trailing-edge.com> from Tim Shoppa at "May 2, 1999 5:42:47 pm" To: SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Tim Shoppa: > A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix > collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix > collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would > this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed > or edited form? Hi Tim, yes I think those tapes would be excellent material for the PUPS Archive. We already have some Usenix tapes in the archive: 2616 Applications/Usenix_77/ug091377-ar.tar.gz 10208 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/del.tar.gz 2688 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/tor79.tar.gz but of course more would be welcome. I'd be happy to take them untrimmed :-) Thanks! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA10986 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:39 +1000 (EST) >From Eric Fischer <eric(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> Tue May 4 01:41:11 1999 Received: from fudge.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric@fudge.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.68]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10981 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:28 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric@localhost) by fudge.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10922; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Fischer <eric(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: <199905031541.KAA10922(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 (*Berkeley Beta Release) 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. It didn't get very far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape mark to get at them. Any ideas? By the way, the Sun 1 that this tape goes with still exists, elsewhere on campus, but hasn't been in usable condition in years. eric Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA11134 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:47 +1000 (EST) >From Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> Tue May 4 02:29:16 1999 Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (trailing-edge.wdn.com [198.232.144.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA11129 for <PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU>; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:36 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <990503122916.20c010f3(a)trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, >Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: > > Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 > (*Berkeley Beta Release) > 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 > copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems > >Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a >tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. So presumably someone decided to re-use this tape - and we hope they didn't reformat the tape first. > It didn't get very >far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may >still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape >mark to get at them. Any ideas? QIC tape formats have physical sectors that the controller (in your case, most likely the SCSI controller that interfaces the drive to your SCSI bus) presents to the rest of the system as a series of logical tape records and tape marks. You can't get past the logical end-of-tape because the SCSI controller (not host adapter!) "knows" there's nothing past the logical end-of-tape. If you bypass this by going straight to the physical sectors, you can read the data following logical end-of-tape, assuming that the cartridge was never reformatted. Most SCSI QIC tape controllers will let you get at the physical sectors, but this is rarely supported by the OS and isn't always consistent from model to model and manufacturer to manufacturer. QIC tape standards are pretty well documented at http://www.qic.org/. For details on how your SCSI QIC drive can be forced to access physical sectors, it's best to go straight to the drive manufacturer's technical manuals. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 2 months

Yet another PDP-11 web page

by johnh＠psych.usyd.edu.au

I have created 'yet another PDP-11 page', hence forth to be known as YAPP at :- www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11 I have covered all the production PDP-11's with a slant to earlier models, and lots of images. Enjoy.

26 years, 2 months

Old (7th ed 32v?) manuals

by Tim Bradshaw

I have a set of printed (decent quality) manuals which were distributed with 32bit machines (HLH Orions) which ran BSD in later life (I have BSD manuals for them). These ones must be from some early port of <something>, perhaps 32v or I'm not sure what. They're dated 1979 and seem to describe some definitely pre-BSD Unix. As you can probably tell I haven't been through them in detail or I'd have more info. I don't really want them as they're 4 folders which don't actually define any system I have (unless I succeed in finding a free PDP11 of reasonable physical size in the UK...) and really I have too much stuff already... But it seems a shame to just throw them out. Is it worth trying to preserve such things? Could anyone offer them a home. I can post them in the UK, and abroad if it's not too savagely expensive. --tim

26 years, 3 months

FWD: PDP-11/83 looking for good home

by Robert J. Kelley

I hope someone can put this machine to good use. I'd pursue it myself but I live in Portland, OR. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.223.23!dustdevil.neo.rr.com!not-for-mail From: matuscak(a)rohrer.com (Joe Matuscak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: PDP-11/83 looking for good home Message-ID: <MPG.1162bfd24561aa4989684(a)news-server.neo.rr.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.200.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)neo.rr.com X-Trace: dustdevil.neo.rr.com 922285509 204.210.200.18 (Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online -- Northeast Ohio Xref: news comp.sys.dec:76218 We have a PDP-11/83 system (BA123 worldbox, 2 DHQ11, RD54, TK50, LA120, LA324) that is looking for a home. It's running MicroRSTS and is working. We are located in northeast Ohio. Call or email me. Thanks, -- Joe Matuscak Rohrer Corporation 717 Seville Road Wadsworth, Ohio 44281 (330)335-1541 matuscak(a)rohrer.com

26 years, 3 months

Early Unix history online article

by Martin Crehan

An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at: http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in Microsystems in 1984, is titled: A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984 by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer Martin Crehan

26 years, 3 months

Re: Old SunOS Software

by Warren Toomey

In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432: > I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11 > oriented. Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage > Society? > > And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software > (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the > Smithsonian, but mine is older" > > Thanks in advance > RLH Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns. If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then we could get it added into the archive here. There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys <rdkeys(a)seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says: Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ site, and it is explained there. The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it. The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back. I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com. Hope this helps, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA00695 for pups-liszt; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:56:48 +1100 (EST)

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Re: SCO Source license tainting?

by Warren Toomey

In article by Jesper Nilsson: > I'm thinking about getting myself a SCO Source license, > but I'm worried that I might get "tainted" by this > since my day job involves writing operating systems... > My employer would not appreciate getting sued because of > my hobbies...:-) As long as you don't reuse tainted Unix source code in your job, you will be ok. There are so many books covering the Unix kernel: Lions, Bach, Goodheart, Vahalia etc., that any concerns other than source code reuse are negligible. That's my feelings, anyway. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25583 for pups-liszt; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:46:21 +1100 (EST) >From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Wed Feb 24 10:46:07 1999 Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25578 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:46:12 +1100 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA20195; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:16:09 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA51811; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:16:08 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990224111607.G93492(a)lemis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:16:07 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: SCO Source license tainting? References: <Pine.LNX.4.05-df.9902231646390.8684-100000(a)bartlet.df.lth.se> <199902232152.IAA04722(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199902232152.IAA04722(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Feb 24, 1999 at 08:52:15AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, 24 February 1999 at 8:52:15 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Jesper Nilsson: >> I'm thinking about getting myself a SCO Source license, >> but I'm worried that I might get "tainted" by this >> since my day job involves writing operating systems... >> My employer would not appreciate getting sued because of >> my hobbies...:-) > > As long as you don't reuse tainted Unix source code in your job, you will > be ok. There are so many books covering the Unix kernel: Lions, Bach, > Goodheart, Vahalia etc., that any concerns other than source code reuse > are negligible. I think this relates to a spectre raised during the USL/BSDI wars. Somebody suggested that anybody who had been exposed to AT&T source code was ``tainted'' and could thus not legally develop competitive systems. Somewhere I have a button that somebody brought back to me from a USENIX, with the text ``mentally contaminated''. Jesper, I don't think you need to worry about the problem. That kind of restriction would be unenforceable. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key

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