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by johnh＠psych.usyd.edu.au

I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA37978 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:30 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 09:41:23 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA37974 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:24 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA83043 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908082341.JAA83043(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: V7M In-Reply-To: <199908082201.IAA05958(a)psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au> from "johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au" at "Aug 9, 1999 8: 1:31 am" To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au: > > I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the >work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Yes, I had some email with Fred last year. He was surprised that anybody still cared :-) Norman, I thought I updated the archive to say that V7M came out of DEC. Where did I miss??! Also, no word yet from Keith Bostic w.r.t the Unix mallet. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38173 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:58 +1000 (EST) >From Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Mon Aug 9 10:15:45 1999 Received: from smtp.sw.oz.au (firewall-user(a)smtp.sw.oz.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38169 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from swh.sw.oz.au (swh.sw.oz.au [192.41.203.42]) by smtp.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07722; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Received: (from vance@localhost) by swh.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA18778; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 From: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> To: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> Cc: grog(a)lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au>; from Peter Chubb on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: : : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: : : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic : : : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably : something else or a spoof.... I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that might be relevant? -- Christopher Vance Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38247 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:28 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Mon Aug 9 10:26:33 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38243 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70243; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:34 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:33 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Cc: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, grog(a)lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809122633.A70235(a)begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: > : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: > : > : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, > : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: > : > : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic > : > : > : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole > : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their > : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get > : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably > : something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? In Germany UNIX Rent is a car rental company. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38292 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:52 +1000 (EST) >From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Mon Aug 9 10:28:37 1999 Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38288 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28037; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA29375; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> To: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Cc: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Monday, 9 August 1999 at 10:15:45 +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: >>>>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: >> >> Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, >> Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: >> >> Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic >> >> >> A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole >> Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their >> heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get >> involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably >> something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, but never got round to it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38462 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:03 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Mon Aug 9 10:41:05 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38456 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:40:56 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70288; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Cc: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com>, Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809124105.A70277(a)begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, > but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire > company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, > but never got round to it. And now there is no reason to rent UNIX if you can have it for freeBSD. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38476 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:23 +1000 (EST) >From Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 10:41:16 1999 Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38470 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris@localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22070 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> X-Sender: norris(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au To: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; BUGS The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- mology is amusing. -- Stuart Norris norris(a)mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38563 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:46 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 10:47:38 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38558 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:39 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA00491; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> from Stuart Norris at "Aug 9, 1999 10:41:16 am" To: norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (Stuart Norris) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Stuart Norris: > > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. A more authorative answer, I'm sure, can be found from the 1st Ed manuals on Dennis' homepage: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html. Um, just checked, it doesn't say anything about switches. I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it somewhere. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38687 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:56:02 +1000 (EST) >From Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> Mon Aug 9 10:54:37 1999 Received: from caveman.geac.com.au (caveman.geac.com.au [203.30.73.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA38683 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:55:53 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 24065 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:03:51 +1000 Received: from trowel.geac.com.au (203.1.26.189) by caveman.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:03:50 +1000 Received: (qmail 8534 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from fgh.geac.com.au (202.6.67.163) by trowel.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by fgh.geac.com.au?r with ESMTP id KAA26108; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: fgh.geac.com.au: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> X-Sender: dave@fgh To: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> cc: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9908091053250.25366-100000@fgh> X-No-Archive: Yes X-Witty-Saying: "Tesseract - Enter at own risk" X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Stuart Norris wrote: > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Formal name: delete from switch register (you put the i-number of the file in the switch register). Informal name: Delete Sh*t Work. -- Dave Horsfall VK2KFU dave(a)geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: +61 2 9978-7422 Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA38892 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:10 +1000 (EST) >From Eric Fischer <enf(a)pobox.com> Mon Aug 9 11:38:03 1999 Received: from mumble.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric@mumble.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.93]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA38888 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric@localhost) by mumble.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27243; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908090138.UAA27243(a)mumble.uchicago.edu> From: Eric Fischer <enf(a)pobox.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> References: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> > > Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on > the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. ... > > I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it > somewhere. This may not be the reference you're looking for, but it definitely gets into the history of dsw. Slightly reformatted from the Usenet Oldnews archives at http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/: | Newsgroups: NET.general | From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!research!dmr | Date: Wed Aug 12 00:35:06 1981 | Subject: etymology &c | | I would advise taking uiucdcs!jerry's account of history and | motivations with a healthy dose of salt. However, his heart's in | the right place (unlike some). | | A while ago someone asked Ken Thompson what he would do differently | if he were to do Unix again. The answer: "I would have called it | create instead of creat." Well, my answer is that I would have | fixed the stupid dsw manual page. Fortunately, I can atone | by publishing a correct account (not the real 1970 manual page, | but an incredible simulation). | | Subject: dsw manual page (honest) | | | DSW(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual DSW(1) | | NAME | dsw - delete from switches | | SYNOPSIS | (put number in console switches) | dsw | core | | DESCRIPTION | dsw reads the console switches to obtain a number n, prints | the name of the n-th file in the current directory, and | exits, leaving a core image file named core. If this core | file is executed, the file whose name was last printed is | unlinked (see unlink(2)). | | The command is useful for deleting files whose names are | difficult to type. | | SEE ALSO | rm(1), unlink(2) | | BUGS | This command was written in 2 minutes to delete a particular | file that managed to get an 0200 bit in its name. It should | work by printing the name of each file in a specified direc- | tory and requesting a `y' or `n' answer. Better, it should | be an option of rm(1). | | The name is mnemonic, but likely to cause trouble in the | future. | | Printed 8/11/81 PDP-7 local 1 | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed | freely, provided: | | 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. | 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: | The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 | Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman. eric

25 years, 11 months

V7M

by norman＠nose.cita.utoronto.ca

While poking around in the documentation for the PUPS archive, I noticed that V7M is there, but that Warren's note about it says `I have no other information about who created these changes.' I believe it was the Telecommunication Industries Group in Digital, who did the work to make it easier to sell newer PDP-11 hardware to parts of the Bell System that used UNIX but didn't want to do their own kernel hacking. (Actually I suspect they also did it because the work was interesting and fun, and because there was a somewhat larger community to whom it would be useful; but the Bell System connection justified it to management.) The changes that turned V7 into V7M were given away to anyone that had an appropriate license from AT&T; Digital didn't charge for them, nor was there any additional license. V7M was used as the base for what was eventually called Ultrix, Digital's own name-brand UNIX, but that product didn't appear for several years after. I believe Bill Munson was the manager in charge of TIG at the time; certainly he was an early management-level champion of UNIX within Digital. Armando Stettner was probably the most famous of the other folks in the group, though by no means the only one. All this is vague stuff for me, since it happened a little before I got involved in UNIX, and I never ran V7M. I expect there are others out there who know more; please chime in! Norman Wilson

25 years, 11 months

Re: "Unix-based mallet" ???

by Greg Lehey

Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? Greg ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:52:28 +1000 (EST) > To: netbsd-users(a)netbsd.org > Reply-to: abuse(a)brushtail.apana.org.au > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: netbsd-users(a)netbsd.org > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > mentions: > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) > > -- > Chris Baird,, <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24693 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:43 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:20:44 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24689 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04460; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:20:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? In-Reply-To: <19990806123334.K5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Aug 6, 1999 12:33:34 pm" To: grog(a)lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:20:44 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Greg Lehey: > Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? > > Greg > > ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > > mentions: > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24768 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:34:59 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Fri Aug 6 13:34:43 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24764 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:34:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA63389; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:34:43 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:34:43 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Cc: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? Message-ID: <19990806153443.A63379(a)begemot.org> References: <19990806123334.K5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:20:44PM +1000 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:20:44PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Greg Lehey: > > Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? > > > > Greg > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > > > mentions: > > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) > > I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer. Cannot check other versions at the moment. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24816 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:36 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:38:22 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24809 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:30 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04506; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060338.NAA04506(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? In-Reply-To: <19990806153443.A63379(a)begemot.org> from "Joerg B. Micheel" at "Aug 6, 1999 3:34:43 pm" To: joerg(a)begemot.org (Joerg B. Micheel) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au, grog(a)lemis.com, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Joerg B. Micheel: > > > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? > At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer. > Cannot check other versions at the moment. > Joerg It's also in 4.4-Lite, Iguess we'll have to backtrack to find when it was added. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24962 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:38 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:51:30 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24955 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:31 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04564 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Unix mallet .... To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:30 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS. I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he know about it. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25320 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:57 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 15:00:46 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25316 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:50 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA40293; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060500.PAA40293(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... In-Reply-To: <19990806134045.O5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Aug 6, 1999 1:40:45 pm" To: grog(a)lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:46 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Friday, 6 August 1999 at 13:51:30 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, > /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: > date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic > Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS. > I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he knows about it. Well, the earliest calendar.computer files I can find, apart from the SCCS record, are: Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/src.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28 Distributions/4bsd/net2/net2.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28 Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/usr.tar, calendar.computer dated 1990/07/29 [from the PUPS Archive] so the finger of suspicion does point at Keith Bostic. In article by Greg Lehey: > Sounds reasonable. You want to [ask Keith]? Yep, I'll fire off some email now. Cheers all, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25515 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:34 +1000 (EST) >From Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> Fri Aug 6 15:48:25 1999 Received: from smtp.sw.oz.au (firewall-user(a)smtp.sw.oz.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25511 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from peterc@localhost) by smtp.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id PAA16635; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> From: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: grog(a)lemis.com.au Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... In-Reply-To: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably something else or a spoof.... Peter C

25 years, 11 months

PUPS mail list: still alive!

by Warren Toomey

Hi all, I thought I'd better send in a message to the PUPS list just to shake out the cobwebs, and to welcome on the newest half-dozen subscribers. I've added some more disk space, memory and a new OS to the PUPS Archive machine, minnie. About 100 people now have access to the archive, and SCO has sold 166 Ancient UNIX licenses. Peter Chubb recently mentioned that Dennis Ritchie has unearthed some old C compilers (see http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/primevalC.html) I'll add them into the Archive soon, and perhaps even try to compile them with the 5th Edition compiler. As always, if you have any questions etc. about old Unixes, please drop them into this mailing list. Cheers, Warren

25 years, 11 months

Old ATT 3b2 Documentation. (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

----- Forwarded message from Riggi, Mike ----- >From MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US Fri Jul 2 22:51:01 1999 Message-ID: <904E343860E9D211ADD80008C7CF70FD1C2F65@ALBINET> From: "Riggi, Mike" <MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US> To: "'wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au'" <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Old ATT 3b2 Documentation. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:48:32 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: "Riggi, Mike" <MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have complete sys documentation that came with ATT 3b2 400 machine in early 1980s. Includes all 20+ red 3-ring binders (includes all diskettes), also sets of ATT videos on SVR3.2. Also some software for the 3b2 such as 20/20 spreadsheet and WordPerfect. Can you think of anyone who would like this for free? Michael Riggi (518) 473-7649 or 439-3207. ----- End of forwarded message from Riggi, Mike -----

26 years

Unix 6 & the E11 Emulator

by Erin Corliss

How do you boot Unix 6 on an Ersatz-11 emulator? Here is the e11.ini I have: set cpu 40 mount dm0: ..\rk6.dsk assign tt1: f2 assign tt2: f3 boot dm0: The emulator currently displays the copyright, followed by a new line and an "@" symbol. At this point if you type "rkunix" or "unix" it has an exception...

26 years

Re: Free to a good home... (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

In article by David C. Jenner: > 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?) Whups, typo :-) > Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort. > That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc. > (Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :) No, no cut for me, just happiness that people can use the archive. We're currently just back up from a campus-wide power failure. I knew it was coming. Every time minnie get over 100 days uptime, we have a power failure. Cheers all, Warren

26 years, 1 month

Free to a good home... (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

All, Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-) It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive. We now have: 152 people subscribed to the mailing list 100 people with access to the PUPS archive 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders. Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked me to forward this message to you all. Cheers, Warren ----- Forwarded message from John Dodson ----- From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Free to a good home... Free to a good home... Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-) Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-) One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...) A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK. Contact: John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13) johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine, http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney, Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006 Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia. Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home. Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver. ----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA26777 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:13:38 +1000 (EST) >From Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Tue Jun 1 16:59:52 1999 Received: from superluminal.usn.nl (wim(a)superluminal.usn.nl [194.183.103.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26771 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:13:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wim@localhost) by superluminal.usn.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30249 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:59:52 +0200 From: Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Message-Id: <199906010659.IAA30249(a)superluminal.usn.nl> Subject: Introduction To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:59:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get out some discussion. My name is Wim Fournier (for known people and friends (not that I have any) it's Wimpie). I'm a student of 19 years old and currently doing Technical Informatics... That is something like system engineer with much knowledge. I'm higly interrested in electronics; High Frequency radio; computers; computer hardware; Old stuf (audio/compu/etc);unix/Linux I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc I have not got it working yet (hacking!!!) It's from the dutch telecom company KPN who has used it for semaphone (beepers and stuff) It came with a 19" rack (all black + heavy) and a switch box for American plugs. When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK. Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk (scsi-1) as someone told me it should work. If someone has got an answer to my frustrating problems.. I'm listening.. 8*} Well... that will be the end of this shout for help plus introduction.. Greetings, Wim Fournier Unix Support Netherlands (practice training company for my study) PS: sorry for the bad English if any.. My keyboard doesn't type English that good... 8*)) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA27048 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:15 +1000 (EST) >From Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Tue Jun 1 19:07:16 1999 Received: from superluminal.usn.nl (wim(a)superluminal.usn.nl [194.183.103.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27043 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wim@localhost) by superluminal.usn.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00196; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:07:16 +0200 From: Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Message-Id: <199906010907.LAA00196(a)superluminal.usn.nl> Subject: Re: Introduction To: A.F.R.Bain(a)dpmms.cam.ac.uk (Alan F R Bain) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:07:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <E10ok9a-0006Jy-00(a)moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk> from "Alan F R Bain" at Jun 1, 99 09:44:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > > Wim Fournier wrote: > >Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get > >out some discussion. > > > >I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc > >When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to > >local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I > >have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the > >back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK. > > Why not try powering up the PDP independantly of the power controller? > You can make an american socket -> dutch plug lead, or just swap the plug. > There's also most probably a circuit breaker on the back of the PDP. > Check that this hasn't tripped (or been damaged in transit!). That's a good one.. I saw the breaker.. it's holding the floor of the pdp.. But what I'm wordering is what the power consumption is (at 220V) in ampere, because I will be feeding it from an normal home-socket (line/null/mass) at +/- 230Volt 10 Ampere. > > The H??? power controller is just a box with a big relay for switching > everything on at once. There came with it two little short ciruit > plugs for testing (there is a power on line and and power off due to > overheating line). I you do need a new three wire power controller > cable, I have a box of hundreds of them, email me and I'm sure I can > send you one. Well.. I didn't get the test plugs.. but that's OK.. I'll nuke them myself 8*) And as of the power controller cables.. How much does it cost to send from your house (where do you live anyway?) to The Netherlands (I live near Utrecht (about the center of NL)) > > >Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk > >(scsi-1) as someone told me it should work. > > This depends upon the controller cards installed in the PDP. > I'll send you a list tommorow.. > Alan > Thanks Wim Fournier Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA27545 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:12 +1000 (EST) >From "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Tue Jun 1 22:47:30 1999 Received: from smtp04.nwnexus.com (smtp04.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27540 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from halcyon.com (jenner.net [206.63.251.66]) by smtp04.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00390; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3753D662.9913E45C(a)halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 05:47:30 -0700 From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au CC: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Free to a good home... (fwd) References: <199906010555.PAA07705(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?) Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort. That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc. (Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :) Dave Warren Toomey wrote: > > All, > Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-) > It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should > send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive. > > We now have: > 152 people subscribed to the mailing list > 100 people with access to the PUPS archive > 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders. > > Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked > me to forward this message to you all. > > Cheers, > Warren > > ----- Forwarded message from John Dodson ----- > From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au> > Subject: Free to a good home... > > Free to a good home... > > Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-) > > Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-) > > One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must > look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...) > A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK. > > Contact: > > John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13) > johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine, > http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney, > Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006 > Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia. > > Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are > trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home. > Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver. > ----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson -----

26 years, 1 month

Removing VAXBI and XMI boards

by Michael Sokolov

Hello everyone, As I'm trying to determine the exact configuration of the VAX 6000 I have just acquired, I have the following very stupid question: how in the world do you pull a VAXBI or XMI board out of the backplane? It's definitely nothing like any UNIBUS or Q-bus stuff I have worked with so far. UNIBUS and Q-bus both use Mxxxx series modules, but VAXBI and XMI use Txxxx series ones, which look quite different mechanically. There is a long black bar hanging over each slot, including empty ones, but no fiddling with it makes the board come out. Could someone please explain to me how to pull VAXBI and XMI boards out and put them back in? TIA. Special Agent Michael Sokolov Harhan Computer Operation Facility International Free Computing Task Force Phone: +1-216-761-3656 ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)harrier.Uznet.NET

26 years, 1 month

Re: TOC of Sun3 SunOS 4.1.1 tapes (what about sunos 4.1???)

by rdkeys＠unity.ncsu.edu

> While rummaging I found this. Thought some one might find it useful. Yes indeedy.... I had a paper copy of that, but it is nice to get an electronic copy. > SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering > ARCH sun3 > VOLUME 1 > Vol File Name Size Type > 1 0 boot 32768 image > 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc > 1 2 munix 729600 image > 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image Speaking of 4.1.1 bits, I have a 4.1 tape for the early sun4 machines that has bad spots in the usr file system and beyond on Tape 1 of 2. Up to that point (the first 6 files) tape 1 is fine, and tape 2 is fine. Anyone have the usr tarballs and later from a sun4 sunos 4.1 tape 1 that I could use to rewrite my tape? Right now I a using bits from the 4.1.1 CD, but it would be nice to have the original 4.1 files so that I could fully rewrite the tape with the correct bits. What I would like to do is pull the reels out of a good fresh tape, and put them into the Sun badged cartridge, and rewrite it. My 4/260 box would be much appreciative, for the long haul. Any suggestions or leads to the mystical files are appreciated. Is there a tally of how many of us are doing the old vme sun bit? I run 3 12-slot boxes and 1 3-slot box, with 3/110, 3/160, 3/200, 4/110, 4/260 configurations, depending upon how the boards are swapped on any given day. Yeah, I know, it ain't one of our treasured PDP-11 toyz, but it a lot easier to find in the dustbins here and there.....(:+}}... Bob Keys

26 years, 2 months

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