17 Jul
2024
17 Jul
'24
8:51 p.m.
Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had forgotten I scanned a little while
back:
https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the paper backed up by Doug
here: https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
From the best I could tell, this predates both 1973's V3 and the 1971 S/360 version
of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to 1971. For instance, it is missing the .ar,
.hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta
requests pop up in the S/360 paper, the rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages
don't list the request summary).
If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the archive description
accordingly.
Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page offset, Merge patterns,
and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not reflected here, although at the very
least, the .mg request is not in this paper so the Merge patterns section probably
wasn't there anyway.
- Matt G.
17 Jul
17 Jul
9:01 p.m.
That's pretty cool and it sure looks a lot like nroff.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 08:51:04PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had
forgotten I scanned a little while back:
https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the paper backed up by
Doug here: https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
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From the best I could tell, this predates both
1973's V3 and the 1971 S/360 version of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to
1971. For instance, it is missing the .ar, .hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc
requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta requests pop up in the S/360 paper, the
rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages don't list the request summary).
If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the archive description
accordingly.
Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page offset, Merge patterns,
and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not reflected here, although at the very
least, the .mg request is not in this paper so the Merge patterns section probably
wasn't there anyway.
- Matt G.
9:45 p.m.
On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM, segaloco <segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had
forgotten I scanned a little while back:
https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the paper backed up by
Doug here: https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
From the best I could tell, this predates both 1973's V3 and the 1971 S/360 version
of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to 1971. For instance, it is missing the .ar,
.hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta
requests pop up in the S/360 paper, the rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages
don't list the request summary).
If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the archive description
accordingly.
Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page offset, Merge patterns,
and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not reflected here, although at the very
least, the .mg request is not in this paper so the Merge patterns section probably
wasn't there anyway.
- Matt G.
Just a correction Tom Lyon pointed out, the 1971 BCPL paper is for a *GECOS*, not S/360
version, it just suggests sending the print jobs then to a S/360 machine, the roff itself
is GECOS.
- Matt G.
18 Jul
18 Jul
12:42 a.m.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 09:45:57PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM, segaloco
<segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
Kernighan's OS/360 roff is described in
"Manuscript Printing under OS/360: ROFF" and email linked from
https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html
Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had
forgotten I scanned a little while back:
https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the paper backed up by
Doug here: https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
From the best I could tell, this predates both 1973's V3 and the 1971 S/360 version
of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to 1971. For instance, it is missing the .ar,
.hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta
requests pop up in the S/360 paper, the rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages
don't list the request summary).
If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the archive description
accordingly.
Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page offset, Merge patterns,
and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not reflected here, although at the very
least, the .mg request is not in this paper so the Merge patterns section probably
wasn't there anyway.
- Matt G.
Just a correction Tom Lyon pointed out, the 1971 BCPL paper is for a *GECOS*, not S/360
version, it just suggests sending the print jobs then to a S/360 machine, the roff itself
is GECOS.
- Matt G. 
1:28 a.m.
Jonathan - awesome!
Some Princeton timing: the 360/67 arrived in 1967, but was replaced in the
summer of 1969 by the 360/91.
BWK must've got started on the 7094 that preceded the 67, but since it was
FORTRAN the port wasn't hard.
Now I wonder what Paul Hilfinger did and whether it was still FORTRAN.
I graduated in 1978, ROFF usage was still going strong!
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 5:42 PM Jonathan Gray <jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 09:45:57PM +0000, segaloco via
TUHS wrote:
*GECOS*, not
S/360 version, it just suggests sending the print jobs then to
a S/360 machine, the roff itself is GECOS.
On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM,
segaloco <
segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
> Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had forgotten I scanned
a
little while back:
>
> https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
>
> This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the
paper
backed up by Doug here:
https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
>
> From the best I could tell, this predates both 1973's V3 and the 1971
S/360 version of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to 1971. For
instance, it is missing the .ar, .hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc
requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta requests pop up in the S/360
paper, the rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages don't list the
request summary).
>
> If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the
archive
description accordingly.
>
> Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page
offset,
Merge patterns, and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not
reflected here, although at the very least, the .mg request is not in this
paper so the Merge patterns section probably wasn't there anyway.
- Matt G.
Just a correction Tom Lyon pointed out, the 1971 BCPL paper is for a
- Matt G.
Kernighan's OS/360 roff is described in
"Manuscript Printing under OS/360: ROFF" and email linked from
https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html
1:58 a.m.
It appears that Tom Lyon <pugs78(a)gmail.com> said:
-=-=-=-=-=-
Jonathan - awesome!
Some Princeton timing: the 360/67 arrived in 1967, but was replaced in the
summer of 1969 by the 360/91.
No, the /67 and /91 were there at the same time. I used them both in high school.
I graduated in 1971 so that must have been 1969 to 71, and when I left I'm pretty
sure both were still there.
R's,
John
BWK must've got started on the 7094 that preceded
the 67, but since it was
FORTRAN the port wasn't hard.
Now I wonder what Paul Hilfinger did and whether it was still FORTRAN.
I graduated in 1978, ROFF usage was still going strong!
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 5:42 PM Jonathan Gray <jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 09:45:57PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM, segaloco <
> segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had forgotten I scanned
> a little while back:
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
2:22 a.m.
Yeah, I wasn't specific enough.
The ownership of the model 67 changed to the State of NJ, but it was
operated and present at Princeton, until replaced by a 370/158, which in
turn changed owners back to Princeton in 75.
What OS did you use on the 67?
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 6:58 PM John Levine <johnl(a)taugh.com> wrote:
It appears that Tom Lyon <pugs78(a)gmail.com>
said:
-=-=-=-=-=-
Jonathan - awesome!
Some Princeton timing: the 360/67 arrived in 1967, but was replaced in the
summer of 1969 by the 360/91.
No, the /67 and /91 were there at the same time. I used them both in high
school.
I graduated in 1971 so that must have been 1969 to 71, and when I left I'm
pretty
sure both were still there.
R's,
John
BWK must've got started on the 7094 that
preceded the 67, but since it was
FORTRAN the port wasn't hard.
Now I wonder what Paul Hilfinger did and whether it was still FORTRAN.
I graduated in 1978, ROFF usage was still going strong!
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 5:42 PM Jonathan Gray <jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 09:45:57PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM, segaloco <
> segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had forgotten I
scanned
> a little while back:
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
4:23 a.m.
"It is a lousy day in Princeton" changes to
"It is a nice day in Princeton" in:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/AD0751318.pdf
https://archive.org/details/DTIC_AD0751318/mode/2up
ROFF - A MANUSCRIPT PRINTING PROGRAM: USER’S MANUAL
Clifford E. Rhoades, Jr.
November 1972
"This particular version of ROFF is a modified form of an IBM OS/360
program written by Dr. Peter Crean as revised to incorporate equation
writing by Dr. Stephen Fulling at Princeton."
Includes a FORTRAN listing at the end.
Kernighan is not credited but the manual is clearly derived from his.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 06:28:49PM -0700, Tom Lyon wrote:
Jonathan - awesome!
Some Princeton timing: the 360/67 arrived in 1967, but was replaced in the
summer of 1969 by the 360/91.
BWK must've got started on the 7094 that preceded the 67, but since it was
FORTRAN the port wasn't hard.
Now I wonder what Paul Hilfinger did and whether it was still FORTRAN.
I graduated in 1978, ROFF usage was still going strong!
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 5:42 PM Jonathan Gray <jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 09:45:57PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 17th, 2024 at 1:51 PM, segaloco <
> segaloco(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just sharing a copy of the Roff Manual that I had forgotten I scanned
> a little while back:
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/roff_manual
> > >
> > > This appears to be the UNIX complement to the S/360 version of the
> paper backed up by Doug here:
> https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/roff71/roff71.pdf
> > >
> > > From the best I could tell, this predates both 1973's V3 and the
1971
> S/360 version of the paper, putting it somewhere prior to 1971. For
> instance, it is missing the .ar, .hx, .ig, .ix, .ni, .nx, .ro, .ta, and .tc
> requests found in V3. The .ar and .ro, and .ta requests pop up in the S/360
> paper, the rest are in the V3 manpage (prior manpages don't list the
> request summary).
> > >
> > > If anyone has some authoritative date information I can update the
> archive description accordingly.
> > >
> > > Finally, this very well could be missing the last page, the Page
> offset, Merge patterns, and Envoi sections of Doug's paper are not
> reflected here, although at the very least, the .mg request is not in this
> paper so the Merge patterns section probably wasn't there anyway.
> > >
> > > - Matt G.
> >
> > Just a correction Tom Lyon pointed out, the 1971 BCPL paper is for a
> *GECOS*, not S/360 version, it just suggests sending the print jobs then to
> a S/360 machine, the roff itself is GECOS.
> >
> > - Matt G.
>
> Kernighan's OS/360 roff is described in
> "Manuscript Printing under OS/360: ROFF" and email linked from
> https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html
>
11:11 a.m.
Jonathan Gray <jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
Kernighan's OS/360 roff is described in
"Manuscript Printing under OS/360: ROFF" and email linked from
https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html
The "high resolution" scan seems to have multiple duplicated
pages... It's neat to see: printed on green bar! :-)
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