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by Steven M. Schultz

Hi - > From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu> > I have gotten 2.11 installed on simh, I have it recognizing the simulated > ethernet card, and everything appears correct except the packets just > aren't getting in and out. The simh documentation says that the DELQA > card is better than the DEQNA, but I was unable to get the DELQA (qt) > driver to recognize the card. When I compiled the kernel to use the DEQNA There are TWO variants of the DELQA as I recall. One was referred to as the "turbo" verion (I think it was called the DELQA-YM) and the if_qt driver was developed and tested specifically for, and only for, that variant. The normal DELQA and DEQNA should use the if_qe driver. > I have configured 2.11BSD with: > A valid IP address on the network the host is on. > The same netmask, broadcast, and gateway as the host. > I am running the emulator as root. > > The docs say you won't be able to talk between the host and the emulated Hmmm, that seems strange. Using P11 I talk between the host (the machine running the emulator program) and the "PDP11" all the time. Ah, it has to do with ARP handling I suspect. I know that with P11 it's IP only and thus ARP packets do not traverse the emulated ethernet card. If that is the case with simh as well then on the PDP11 side you might have to do what I did and install arp entries for everything on the local lan with which the PDP11 is going to communicate. That way the 11 already knows the 'mac' address and does not need ARP (which doesn't work thru the emulated ethernet) at all. > machine, so my test for each configuration has been pinging the gateway, > which I know responds to pings since I can ping it from the host. Ah, but on the host did you publish an ARP entry so that the host will arp for the PDP11? I think that is required. I would tinker around with installing published/proxy arp entries and seeing what happens. Cheers, Steven Schultz sms(a)2bsd.com

22 years, 8 months

[pups] Boot_Images and the networking activated version of Simh

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Just out of curiosity, can the boot images stored in the folders that are under that name, actually support this new version of Simh? That is the PDP-11 emulator. What would be necessary to enable that function? It looks as if one of them, is aware of the device, since I believe the image was made on a machine which has the appropriate card installed in it, but after that I'm lost. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

22 years, 8 months

[pups] 2.11BSD networking on simh

by Andru Luvisi

I have gotten 2.11 installed on simh, I have it recognizing the simulated ethernet card, and everything appears correct except the packets just aren't getting in and out. The simh documentation says that the DELQA card is better than the DEQNA, but I was unable to get the DELQA (qt) driver to recognize the card. When I compiled the kernel to use the DEQNA (qe) driver and set the card up in DEQNA mode, the emulated card and its ethernet address were correctly detected. I have configured 2.11BSD with: A valid IP address on the network the host is on. The same netmask, broadcast, and gateway as the host. I am running the emulator as root. I have attached the DEQNA to the appropriate ethernet card. I can see the ethernet card go into promiscuous mode when I start the emulator. I have tested it with SANITY=ON and SANITY=OFF. The docs say you won't be able to talk between the host and the emulated machine, so my test for each configuration has been pinging the gateway, which I know responds to pings since I can ping it from the host. I have been over both the 2.11BSD docs and the simh docs several times and as far as I can tell I am doing everything correctly. I would appreciate any hints that any of you can offer. Thanks, Andru Quote Of The Moment: Appel's method avoids making a large number of small trampoline bounces by occasionally jumping off the Empire State Building. -- Henry G. Baker, "Cheney on the M.T.A."

22 years, 8 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Mario Premke

Thanks a lot - it works ... I am delighted !!! ---------- > Von: Frank Wortner <frank(a)wortner.com> > An: Mario Premke <Mario.Premke(a)epost.de>; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Betreff: Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > Datum: Montag, 18. November 2002 03:59 > > on 11/17/02 1:24 PM, Mario Premke at Mario.Premke(a)epost.de wrote: > > > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > > different name ? > > boot dl0 > @boot <- you type "boot" and press "enter" or "return" in reply > New Boot, known device are hp ht rk rl rp tm vt > : rl(0,0)rl2unix <- you type "rl(0,0)rl2unix" and press return > mem = 177856 > # <- you are now in "single user" mode > <- press "control-d" to go to multiuser mode > <- (the normal mode of operation) > Restricted rights: Use, duplication, or disclosure > is subject to restrictions stated in your contract with > Western Electric Company, Inc. > Thu Sept 22 06:26:09 EDT 1988 > > login: root <- login as "root" > # <- Have fun ... > <- You did make a backup of the disk image before you started, > <- right? ;-) > > If you want to make things easier, your first command should be: > > # cp /rl2unix /unix > > Now you will be able to type "rl(0,0)unix" instead of "rl(0,0)rl2unix". Ps > and other commands that need to read the system namelist also expect the > kernel image to be named /unix. > > Enjoy! > > > > -- > Frank > > "Plez cnoke if an rnsr is not reqid." > Sign on Owl's Door, "Winnie the Pooh" > > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Frank Wortner

on 11/17/02 1:24 PM, Mario Premke at Mario.Premke(a)epost.de wrote: > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > different name ? boot dl0 @boot <- you type "boot" and press "enter" or "return" in reply New Boot, known device are hp ht rk rl rp tm vt : rl(0,0)rl2unix <- you type "rl(0,0)rl2unix" and press return mem = 177856 # <- you are now in "single user" mode <- press "control-d" to go to multiuser mode <- (the normal mode of operation) Restricted rights: Use, duplication, or disclosure is subject to restrictions stated in your contract with Western Electric Company, Inc. Thu Sept 22 06:26:09 EDT 1988 login: root <- login as "root" # <- Have fun ... <- You did make a backup of the disk image before you started, <- right? ;-) If you want to make things easier, your first command should be: # cp /rl2unix /unix Now you will be able to type "rl(0,0)unix" instead of "rl(0,0)rl2unix". Ps and other commands that need to read the system namelist also expect the kernel image to be named /unix. Enjoy! -- Frank "Plez cnoke if an rnsr is not reqid." Sign on Owl's Door, "Winnie the Pooh"

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 21:09, M E Leypold wrote: > > Mario Premke writes: > > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > > different name ? > > Thanks in advance > > Mario Premke > > rlunix? It should look something like this (from my 7th Editon on a real PDP-11): @boot boot : rl(0,0)unix The "@" is the bootstrap prompt, and the first "boot" is what you type. The second "boot" is from the boot program itself; the colon ":" is boot's prompt. "rl(0,0)" is what you type to name the device, unit, and partition, and "unix" is the kernel name. YMMV if you have a different kernel. BTW, to shut down an old system like this, you should (as root) type # kill -1 1 to stop user processes and return to single-user mode; then type "sync" a couple of times, to make sure any disk buffers are written out, and then stop the processor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by M E Leypold ＠ labnet

Mario Premke writes: > Thanks a lot !!! > That was what I was looking for ... > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > different name ? > Thanks in advance > Mario Premke rlunix? Regards -- Markus

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Mario Premke

Thanks a lot !!! That was what I was looking for ... Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a different name ? Thanks in advance Mario Premke ---------- > Von: Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> > An: Mario Premke <Mario.Premke(a)epost.de> > Cc: Gregg C Levine <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net>; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Betreff: Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > Datum: Samstag, 16. November 2002 23:34 > > On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Mario Premke wrote: > > > Hello Gregg, thanks for your immediate response ! > > I recently found the article 'Booting 7th Edition UNIX Images' on the > > 'vmsnet.pdp-11'-Newsgroups: > > > > <--- SNIP ---> > > > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/sources/ > > ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/pub/PDP-11-sims/Supnik_2.2d/sources/ > > > > Try http://simh.trailing-edge.com > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Bill Gunshannon

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Mario Premke wrote: > Hello Gregg, thanks for your immediate response ! > I recently found the article 'Booting 7th Edition UNIX Images' on the > 'vmsnet.pdp-11'-Newsgroups: > > <--- SNIP ---> > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/sources/ > ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/pub/PDP-11-sims/Supnik_2.2d/sources/ > Try http://simh.trailing-edge.com bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

22 years, 9 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Mario Premke

Hello Gregg, thanks for your immediate response ! I recently found the article 'Booting 7th Edition UNIX Images' on the 'vmsnet.pdp-11'-Newsgroups: <--- SNIP ---> ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/sources/ ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/pub/PDP-11-sims/Supnik_2.2d/sources/ Once you get it, you have to compile the simulator. You also need to fetch the 7th Edition UNIX disk images as well; they are available from the above ftp sites in the software directory (i.e replace sources with software. Unpack the 7th Edition tarball in the same directory as the one you built the simulator. The only file you require is disks/unix_v7_rl.dsk <--- SNIP ---> What I wanted to say is that the above ftp-links are dead. You are right, I should look for the compressed tarball, but I don't know how the tarball is called and looking for 'unix_v7_rl.dsk' on google only leads to other dead links ... Any hints ? Mario Premke ---------- > Von: Gregg C Levine <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > An: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Betreff: RE: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > Datum: Samstag, 16. November 2002 14:50 > > Hello from Gregg C Levine > How do you mean by that? " The links pointing to the 'unix_v7_rl.dsk' > image I found are dead ... :-(" You said. How so? As I recall, that file > that's in there, for unix_v7_rl.dsk" is there, it's a totally different > UNIX_v7 file name, you need to call it that for the E11 product. For > SIMH, the full name as rendered by the extraction process from the > compressed file works. > ------------------- > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:pups-admin@minnie.tuhs.org] > On > > Behalf Of Mario Premke > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:25 AM > > To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > Subject: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > > > > Hello, > > I just read the instructions of how to boot a binary version 7 disk > image > > on a ersatz11 pdp11 emulator. > > The links pointing to the 'unix_v7_rl.dsk' image I found are dead ... > :-( > > Are there any other sites where I can download this binary > distribution ?? > > > > BTW their are disk dumps of version 7 in the Caldera ancient unix > archive > > .. is it possible to boot > > them on ersatz11 as well ? I tried it a few times without success ... > > I simply tried it with the following e11.ini (from a newsgroup > discussion), > > because I heavily lack > > PDP 11 hardware knowledge. Nevertheless trying this ini-file and many > > variations I made of it all > > end up in a blank emulator screen ... > > > > Any ideas will be appreciated > > > > Mario Premke > > > > ; Set up some terminal devices > > assign tt0: f1 > > assign tt1: f2 > > set scroll hard > > ; Make the CPU like an 11/45 > > set cpu dspace > > set cpu dualregset > > set cpu mmtraps > > set cpu pirq > > set cpu spl > > set cpu supmode > > set cpu cpuerr > > set cpu csm > > set cpu tstset > > ; Get rid of unneeded device > delays > > set delay dl11 0=0 1=0 > > set delay rl11 0=0 1=0 2=0 3=0 4=0 5=0 6=0 7=0 > > ; Mount the RL02 disk image > > mount dl0: v7_rl.dsk > > ; and boot > > boot dl0: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PUPS mailing list > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups

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