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[pups] Looking for PDP-11 Newsweek ad circa 1981

by Ryan Doherty

Hello, I am looking for a copy (electronic or paper) of the digital PDP-11 advertisement that appeared in Newsweek in the early 1980s. The ad states "Who needs a computer with thousands of software programs?", with sketches of people explaining how the computer can be used in their field (ie. "I need it for word processing", "designing bridges", "collecting the bills", etc). Do you know where I can find a copy of it? Sincerely, Ryan Doherty --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!

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Re: [pups] Hardware Upgrade to Minnie

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

Although a /70 might be fun, or even a /93, but.... nay, an update to a VAX would be fun.....(:+}}..... Call her MinnieVAX@tuhs.org.....(:+}}..... gasp! (Sorry Warren) Bob Keys

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Re: Sad news from IBM...

by James Falknor

> > >I was reading Groklaw yesterday night when I came across this. It is a >very sad thought to know that possibly tons of old/ancient code is being >dumped in the trash bin. > >More so now since the advent of software patents: it may become very >difficult to avoid a patent on a re-invention of the wheel if previous >knowledge has been dumped. > >OK, the quote. It is from "the Todd Shaughnessy affidavit [PDF] from IBM >that Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells requested they file when they turned >over all the code and paperwork to SCO": > > 28. As I have noted above, IBM does not maintain revision control > information for AIX source code pre-dating 1991. To the extent that > any code for the AIX operating system (that did not duplicate the > code already being produced in CMVC) was found during the search > described in Paragraph 26-27 above, it was produced. Paragraphs > 29-31 below describe additional search efforts IBM undertook to > locate pre-1991 versions of AIX code. No versions of AIX pre-dating > 1991 were found. > > 29. In the 1980s and early 1990s, IBM prepared vital records backups > of AIX source code and transferred them to a remote storage location. > At some point in the 1990s, the AIX vital records tapes were transferred > to Austin, Texas. In late 2000, the tapes were determined to be obsolete, > and were not retained. > > 30. The AIX development organization contacted other IBM employees who > were known or believed to have been involved with the development or > product release of AIX versions prior to 1991. In addition, IBM > managers and attorneys asked current members of the AIX development > organization whether they were aware of the location of pre-1991 > releases of AIX source code. No one asked was aware of any remaining > copies of pre-1991 AIX source code. > >Perhaps we should do something to raise awareness about the relevance of >legacy (not only UNIX) source code. And in any case, it is a pity that all >that historical information had been lost forever. > >I have always complained about this, and consider it the biggest drawback of >closed proprietary source code: it is OK that law protects developer interests >with the goal of promoting innovation and the public benefit at large. But it >is a lose for everybody whenever any such "protected" code is dumped into the >bin banning anyone else from further benefitting from or exploiting it, and >opening the road for opportunists to claim they "newly invented" it. > >Sic. Sigh. > j > All may not be lost. As it appears to me, TUHS has connections with Universities / Colleges and other types schools, as well as programmers, software engineers and the like. All we need to do is put the word out that TUHS is seeking pre-1991 AIX source code and it's bound to surface. If all else fails, I'm sure someone has a pre-1991 AIX binary distribution that could be disassembled (that is if a binary distribution can be disassembled back to a rough source code). To all TUHS members, As a part of the heritage of Unix, please search any and all your archives for pre-1991 AIX Source Code. Maybe, just maybe, a pre-1991 AIX Binary Distribution will suffice. Help IBM, TUHS, and in the end, the heritage of Unix. Thank you, James Falknor

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Re: Re: Plan 9 port license (was: licence of ditroff?)

by Greg 'groggy' Lehey

Somehow this message got stuck at the wrong end of my inbox. It relates to a thread on this list a few months back. The content speaks for itself, so I'll just forward it here. Greg ----- Forwarded message from Russ Cox <russcox(a)gmail.com> ----- > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:33:17 -0500 > From: Russ Cox <russcox(a)gmail.com> > Reply-To: Russ Cox <russcox(a)gmail.com> > To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> > Subject: Re: Plan 9 port license (was: licence of ditroff?) > > [Feel free to forward this response to the appropriate lists.] > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:39:32 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote: >> As you can see, there's a certain amount of confusion about the >> license of this software. I took a cursory look and couldn't find >> anything. In this day of predatory companies, it would be good to >> have clarity. Could you please clarify, both to the list and on the >> web site? > > The license is the Lucent Public License. There are some exceptions > with MIT-like licensing, but troff is not one of them. This is made clear > if you look in the tar file -- there is a LICENSE file in the root that > explains the situation. I've added a link to this file on the web site > next to the download link. > > I hate haggling over licensing so I try to draw as little attention as > possible to such issues. I do appreciate their importance. > > The Lucent Public License is the IBM Public License made optionally non-viral. > If you want to contribute changes back to the Plan 9 project, then > those changes must be made available under the LPL. But (and > this is where the difference is) if you don't want to contribute your > changes back, then you don't have to. > >>>> Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better >>>> off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port. >>> >>> Thanks, that's a nice idea, but from what I experienced, >>> the portability of recent AT&T/Bell/Lucent/whatever code >>> is worse than the bugs in old code (eg. I could not get >>> ksh93 to compile, something in there just dumped core; >>> but then that's Unix, not Plan 9). > > Confusing Plan 9 with ksh is sure to offend both sets of authors. > > Plan9port builds and runs fine on Linux, FreeBSD, SunOS, and Mac OS X, > and I'm sure it would be easy to get running on other Unix-like systems, > but I haven't had the need and no one has mailed me diffs. > >>>> This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix. The troff there >>>> (a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people >>> >>> If it's the same licence as for 8c, then no, unfortunately. > > It's the LucentPL as mentioned earlier. I'm sure the BSD guys > won't love it (it's not the BSD license), but at least it's not viral. > > Russ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The virus contained in this message was not detected. Finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers.

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[pups] Hardware Upgrade to Minnie

by wkt＠minnie.tuhs.org

All, sometime around noon localtime on Tuesday 7th June, I will be upgrading the hardware which is minnie.tuhs.org from a 500MHz P3 to a 2.4GHz P4. This will include an operating system upgrade (FreeBSD 4.8 to FreebSD 5.3) and upgrades to the major subsystems (web, e-mail, mailing lists, twiki etc.). Although I have had the new system running standalone for a few weeks, I expect that there will be some breakages once it takes over from the old system. Therefore, please be patient while I resolve any issues. If you do notice some problems with the new system, then e-mail me at wkt(a)tuhs.org. Thanks, Warren

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Hardware Upgrade to Minnie

by wkt＠minnie.tuhs.org

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Re: [pups] S.R.Bourne and the shell

by Pete Turnbull

On May 19 2005, 12:11, Andrew Lynch wrote: > On May 19, 11:16pm, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > > I've found a copy of the book "The Unix System" and I've had the > > paper "An Introduction to the UNIX Shell" for 20 years, but I thought > > I'd seen a slim book by S.R.Bourne called "The UNIX Shell" or something > > of the sort. However, Google, Bibliofind, etc have turned up nothing; > > has anyone seen this, or is my memory at fault once more? > > Are you possibly thinking of an article that appeared in the 1978 Bell System > Technical Journal? I probably am... > This article is supposed to have also appeared in Volume 2 of the UNIX > Programmer's Manual - which would imply that it is the same as "An Introduction > to the UNIX Shell" (which is what my 7th Ed Manual contains). Yes, that's in mine too. I just thought the "slim book" had slightly more in it, but perhaps that's because it has smaller pages, and therefore the artice is spread over more of them. I think our library has a copy of the BSTJ, so I can check. Someone emailed me off-list with a URL for an HTML-ised version; thanks, but I have a real 7th Edition Manual with that paper, as well as the troff source on my (original) 7th Edition distro. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Coherent 128 MB RAM

by Andrzej Popielewicz

Hi, I have added test version of binary kernel for Coherent 4.2.10 with support for fixed 128 MB RAM(tested on 300 MHZ system). Check http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~apopiele/embed.html. I have approval of the owner of Coherent, so it is legal to download and use this kernel. Andrzej

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[pups] S.R.Bourne and the shell

by Pete Turnbull

I've found a copy of the book "The Unix System" and I've had the paper "An Introduction to the UNIX Shell" for 20 years, but I thought I'd seen a slim book by S.R.Bourne called "The UNIX Shell" or something of the sort. However, Google, Bibliofind, etc have turned up nothing; has anyone seen this, or is my memory at fault once more? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 1 month

Re: [pups] S.R.Bourne and the shell

by Andrew Lynch

On May 19, 11:16pm, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I've found a copy of the book "The Unix System" and I've had the > paper "An Introduction to the UNIX Shell" for 20 years, but I thought > I'd seen a slim book by S.R.Bourne called "The UNIX Shell" or something > of the sort. However, Google, Bibliofind, etc have turned up nothing; > has anyone seen this, or is my memory at fault once more? Are you possibly thinking of an article that appeared in the 1978 Bell System Technical Journal? >From the bibliography in "The UNIX System": Bourne, S. R. 1978. "UNIX Time-Sharing System: The UNIX Shell". Bell Sys. Tech. J. 57(6) 1971-90. The issues of BSTJ that I have seen could be described as slim books - roughly A5 paperback, around 200 pages. This article is supposed to have also appeared in Volume 2 of the UNIX Programmer's Manual - which would imply that it is the same as "An Introduction to the UNIX Shell" (which is what my 7th Ed Manual contains). Andrew.

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