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Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition

by Andrzej Popielewicz

Użytkownik José R. Valverde napisał: >Looks like overkill to me. It made lots of sense way back then, but as you >are speaking of an X86 port and you can assume an ANSI terminal to be the >default and available, you may as well (at least as a start) do without >termcap and terminfo (BTW I'd bet you don't need support for almost none >of those ancient terminals). > I do not need curses or termcap or terminfo to work under simulated pdp environment via apout in Coherent. As I said I can build everything(using V7 make,cc ans as), it means I can work, and I do not need ANSI terminal (if You have meant true VT100 terminal, and not TERM=vt100 on PC, BTW apout for version 7 assumes as default TERM=vt100 ). I was meaning building in pdp environment running in Coherent, and not building in Coherent via for example a crosscompiler or so. One needs termcap or terminfo if one wants to port more sophisticated tools like vi etc. > >What you can get is then a simpler screen-oriented text editor which can >easily be ported and then used as a bootstrap to port more advanced tools. > >Namely, S from 'A Software Tools Sampler' by Webb Miller. I ported and used >it on both V6 and V7, and still use it on V7 on SIMH. Neat, small, easy to >port, usage alike vi, but much simpler... And comes with some other >interesting tools (actually my first involvement with that code was to have a >unix-like toolkit on eraly VMS long, long ago). > >The code is available on the Net, but I'm including it here as an attachment >as it is not that big (52K). > > j > > Great, I will try it out. I have already tested succesfully more_v7 , which I obtained from Tim. Thanks. I will let You know how it works. Andrzej

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[Fwd: Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition]

by Andrzej Popielewicz

19 years, 11 months

Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition

by James Falknor

Thanks to all, This project is, indeed, for my own educational purposes. I have always been "all idea, no action" type of person. It's time for me to act on my ideas. I have started by comparing the differences between Unix V7, 32V, Coherent, and NetBSD code base. I wish to preserve as much of Unix V7 as possible. Unix V7 was not without code contributed by others, namely Universities around the world. I don't know the legal logistics, but I don't see any reason to change the name from Unix V7 to anything else. As I begin to make run time progress on this project, I will keep everybody notified. I will also be posting questions as they arise. Thank you, James Falknor (I know I'm not alone with a World of Programmers on this mailing list)

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[Fwd: Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition]

by Andrzej Popielewicz

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[Fwd: Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition]

by Andrzej Popielewicz

19 years, 11 months

[Fwd: Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition]

by Andrzej Popielewicz

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Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition

by Brantley Coile

> I do not know Plan9, but according to descriptions I have read, it looks > very interesting. Well it was developed by Bell Lab...(?)-AT/T, which > does not require recommendation.They offer also another interesting OS, > namely Inferno. This is my last email on this subject. Promise. I suggest using the Plan 9 compilers and start with the code for the 32V system. That's the code that first ran on the VAX. It'll be easier to move than the PDP version. It's just Seventh Edition moved to the VAX. I'm using Plan 9 to type this. It's the os I have used as my primary os for the last 10 years. I wrote the Cisco PIX Firewall and the LocalDirector using it. I first used Plan 9 15 years ago at Bell Labs. In a very real sense, it is the true decendent of a very noble line of timesharing systems, going all the way back to MIT's CTSS. You should try Plan 9 for free by downloading it from Bell Labs. It's all open source. Expect to learn a lot. It's UNIX like a Ford Mustang is a T-Model. Lot of the ideas of V7-10 are further developed in Plan 9. It's certainly the os perfered by a good number of UNIX purests. It was the result of a number of poeple, including Ken Thompson, who thought that a fresh code start would allow them to better exploit new technology like networking, hetergenious processors, and symmetrical multiple processors. http://plan9.bell-labs.com I really hope James does the port. I wish I had the time to do it myself. A native V7 port would be really useful in some situations, but more importantly it would help educate new generations of programmers. It would demonstrate the true power and synergy of the software tools approach that UNIX blessed us with. It doesn't need shared libraries, threads, gui's or even vi. The Seventh Edition is amazing technology in a form that can be understood, internalized, and the resulting education used to produce much better modern software. There should be at least a version in it's native form. There's just something special about running it native. Brantley Coile

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by Brantley Coile

>>> "vi". Editing with "cat" is possible but not very useful. I am not going >>> to learn "ed". >> >> Why? > > Simply because. Because I do not like ed. > I want to have useful and user friendly system. To use ed, only because > it is the oldest editor, does not make any sense for me. > I appreciate ed, because of sed, because sed has some similarity to ed > and is extremely useful as a tool. > Unix is not about ed, Unix is about unlimited possibilities of adding > new software , new applications or new editors, it makes Unix beautiful > that it can develop and not editor ed.If ed were all Unix has, it would > not survive. > I hope You accept that someone else can have different favourite > editors. I prefer vi, or even more vim, which is perfect editor.Of > course in the case of emulator missing user friendly editor is not a > problem, because I can edit under Coherent and then build under > emulator.It is good to have a choice, and Unix offers it. In 1983 I was using vi. I allowed a friend to use our system to typeset his companies UNIX manuals, and quickly found that I was having to share the machine with a dozen troff jobs. Vi, being a program that ran in raw mode, didn't respond very well on that 68010 10Mhz system. I was forced to switch to ed. Suddenly I discovered that I had hidden real UNIX behind all those vi commands. I now had plenty of mental capacity to use the rest of the tools available. To really say you understand the spirit of the software tools approach, you must spend a couple of months just using ed. Today I use acme mostly, but still find myself using ed for some edits. I would really encourage you to give it a try. Spend two months just using ed. You cerntainly should use the editor you feel most confortable with, but the growing experience will be well worth your while. Brantley

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Re: [TUHS] Borland's C++ BuilderX, Personal Edition

by Brantley Coile

> OK, so problem is solved.But I suspect it multitasks differently on > different hardware, unless You use existing V7 x86 implementation. I do > not know pdp architecture, I suspect it does differ from x86, I mean > TSS,GDT, TR etc. These details are hidden under the kernel. The idea of a process with address space and other contexts are what V7 provides. It's pretty easy to implement what V7 expects using Intel's paging. Brantley

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Re: [TUHS] Mark Williams Company Unix

by chronaut＠juno.com

Yes I know, my originals were stolen when my car was stolen. I just don't have the time to download a mountain of software right now ! Will U¿ytkownik chronaut(a)juno.com napisa³: Andrzej Popielewicz <vasco(a)icpnet.pl> You need 4 floppies anyway to install Coherent. ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

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