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by Aharon Robbins

> > I have no doubt that the commentary was produced with the V6 nroff. > > It has the look of machine-formatted text about it, although it was > > clearly printed on a constant-width line printer of the time. > > > > Now, were anyone so truly perverse, they might take the latex and > > convert it into nroff/troff. :-) > > Thus returning to the original form in which it was prepared. There's > an appealing circularity and feeling of having come full circle to > that... Doing so would be a major Waste Of Time. This fact, in combination with the "appealing circularity" just mentioned makes it highly likely that it *will* be done by a Graduate Student somewhere .... :-) Arnold

20 years, 9 months

Re: Lions' book

by dmr＠plan9.bell-labs.com

Bibliographic notes: It appears that the version of the commentary that appeared on Usenet and has been transformed variously is just the notes. So far as I can tell, it's an accurate rendition of them. There were ~2 original versions of the two-volume work (the source and the commentary). The two versions are-- Those produced at UNSW: the one I have are in red (source) and orange (commentary) covers. There might have been more than one printing of this. The commentary was probably done on some nice terminal like the Diablo daisy-wheel. The source was rendered on a dot-matrix terminal. The second version was done within AT&T/WECo for internal use, and could also be ordered by licensees--perhaps it was even included with a tape. Salus says these were no longer available by 1978. These have pale blue covers. The contents were, I believe, a photocopy of one of the UNSW renditions. The Peer-to-Peer edition (1996) is probably a photocopy of an AT&T version; it contains various labels that doubtless would have been in them. But they could have been stripped in from tape labels or somewhere. Perhaps Berny Goodheart would know about this part of the production process. The UNSW version I have has, on its title page for the source book, a paragraph that says "This document may contain information covered by one or more licenses...." and is noted by Lions as issued in June, 1977. The PtoP version of this page is in a different font, and has a splash label in printer font "This information is proprietary and is the property of Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc...." It's noted by Lions as of November 1977, and marked "second printing." It would be nice to cajole PtoP into reprinting, although the combination of the TUHS V6 sources and the various renditions of the commentary contain most of the information (though without the heartfelt encomia). Dennis

20 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] Re: Lions' book

by Warren Toomey

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 08:06:43PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: >>> Latex source to the Lions book was posted to alt.folklore.computers >>> circa 1994. I'm guessing that the poster (a "Leo") typed it in by hand. On 2004-Apr-15 07:58:45 +1000, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote: >>I will give you all three guesses as to who Leo was. Hint: he lives >>in Australia. On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:18:45AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: >That would rule out John since he no longer lives in Australia. True. The person is alive and well and living on the Gold Coast in Queensland where he works for a small private university. He is also semi-active in the arena of Unix history. He has a beard. He regrets never admitting to the copying of the commentary to John Lions personally, because John would probably have commended the act. Warren

20 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] Lions book (was: Booting v6)

by Brian S Walden

Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote: .... > >>> [Lions book] > >>>> Wow. Time to start Xeroxing it again... :) > >>> > >>> Latex source to the book was posted to alt.folklore.computers circa > >>> 1994. I'm guessing that the poster (a "Leo") typed it in by hand > >>> given the comments that came with the readme. > >> > > Yes, I've found it now and put it up in multiple formats at > http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/. Enjoy! > > Greg I resurrected the Lions' source code for the commentary I made some 15 years back -- line numbers at all. It had been lost for some time and it took a bit, but I finally found it on some obsolete media. In making it I didn't have v6 source so it was reverted from v7. See http://v6.cuzuco.com/ -B

20 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Aharon Robbins

> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <list-tuhs(a)cosmic.com> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:04:48 -0400 > > I'm amused that someone would use LaTeX to reproduce a manuscript of > dot-matrix source listings and roughly-typewritten commentary. I have no doubt that the commentary was produced with the V6 nroff. It has the look of machine-formatted text about it, although it was clearly printed on a constant-width line printer of the time. Now, were anyone so truly perverse, they might take the latex and convert it into nroff/troff. :-) Arnold

20 years, 9 months

RE: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:53:26 +0100 > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Booting v6 > Thread-Index: AcQcYq8V+wOYWKxXRAqhjHttR6C44gAJhvuw > From: "Wells, Richard" <rwells(a)impaq.co.uk> > To: "Lars Brinkhoff" <lars(a)nocrew.org> > > IMHO it's very good reading / learning. > > I couldn't buy the book when I last tried (about a year ago) - I think > it was out of print.. I did manage to find it all on the web though. > > Richard Wells > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Brinkhoff [mailto:lars@nocrew.org] > Sent: 07 April 2004 06:32 > To: Carl Lowenstein > Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6 > > Carl Lowenstein <cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu> writes: > > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com> > > > > > > BTW, the Lions book - which documents 6th Ed. very comprehensively - > is > > > available for legal purchase. I have both the published version and > > > (from a set of docs I bought on eBay) an old 'bootleg' photocopy. > > Me too, as they say. I did the bootleg photocopying myself. > > Is it still good reading? It was last time I looked. Today I seem to have misplaced my copy. Just checked AddAll book search, the reprint of the Lions book has become a rare collectable, and is selling for about $100. Oh, well, somebody bid a VT100 up to $355 yesterday. carl

20 years, 9 months

An Interview with John Lions

by Kenneth Stailey

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20 years, 9 months

plug for new book - includes V7 code

by Aharon Robbins

Greetings All. Here is an unashamed but brief plug for my new book, "Linux Programming by Example: The Fundamentals": http://www.phptr.com/title/0131429647 It is an introductory linux/unix programming book that uses both V7 code and current GNU code to teach the basic linux/unix programming API. The preface points at the TUHS archive site. I doubt that anyone on this list would really learn anything from it, but it's sorta topical because it uses V7 code. Also, the cover design is really cool. :-) If this is too commercial for anyone, I apologize; I won't post anything else about it to this list. (If you feel the need, please flame me off list. Thanks.) Thanks, Arnold Robbins

20 years, 9 months

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Aharon Robbins

> > Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2. > > you can find many of the documents cited in this issue in the > UNIX Programmer's Manual for the Seventh Edition, Volume 2B, > which is included, for example, in the package > http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/unix-v7-3.tar.gz The manual can also be gotten online, in postscript and PDF and troff from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan. Arnold

20 years, 9 months

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Roger Willcocks

> Hello from Gregg C Levine > Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the > C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are > mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the > creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in > titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment. > And yes, the rest of the article did look okay, around that. ...um... see http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/april/28/1.html: "Ritchie and Thompson Receive National Medal of Technology from President Clinton" -- Roger

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