On 20 May 2009, at 05:56, Derek Peschel wrote:
> Interesting question! And related questions -- When did the current
> start of the epoch get chosen? Were there any false starts or early
> changes? (I seem to recall reading about one change, moving forward
> by a year.) And were there ever any dates in the system that couldn't
> be correctly recorded, because the epoch started too late?
The current epoch was choose for the 4th edition, the man page date
is 8/5/73. The first edition's epoch was 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971.
This can be obtained from the time(2) man page. Here they are parapharsed,
I like that epoch changed from the second to thrid editions, but the
man page date did not; and the "bugs" line from the 3rd edition is memorable.
v1:
DATE: 11/3/71
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The chronological-minded user will note that 2**32 slxtieths of a seeond is only about 2.5 years.
v2:
DATE: 3/15/72
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The chronological-minded user will note that 2**32 slxtieths of a seeond is only about 2.5 years.
v3:
DATE: 3/15/72
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1972, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The time is stored in 32 bits. This guarantees a crisis every 2.26 years.
v4:
DATE: 8/5/73
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00 GMT, Jan. 1, 1970, measured in seconds.
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 01:16:18 -0400
> From: Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX turns forty
> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
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> What more (well to me) is that interactive Unix was the first
> commercial unix.... I suspect all versions of it's PDP-11 & VAX stuff
> is lost forever?
>
> Does anyone know why Kodak would have bought them? Â I suspect they had
> some imaging stuff going....?
They did have microfiche printers running a custom X11 interface.
So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Tim Newsham
http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
I have a question about something in this link:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Seminars/Saving_Unix/
Where it says:
Two other PUPS members, Norman Wilson and Robert D. Keys, have
been OCR'ing the manuals from 1st Edition up to 5th Edition,
so that they can be given to Dennis and added to the PUPS Archive.
That was back in 1999. Did this ever happen? If not, any chance of
getting it to happen?
Thanks!
Arnold
What a lovely thought!
ISTR that many of the papers in the 1978 issue were from the V7
distribution, so the text is around, but not in that format.
DMR could probably clarify more about those issues. (Please?)
I own paper copies of both, although I'm not sure I could find them
quickly if necessary. :-)
I doubt that SysIII is free, even the 16 bit stuff; the userland is
more interesting than the kernel land, and that stuff didn't really care
(much) about 16 vs. 32 bit.
Arnold
> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:20:03 -0300
> From: Rafael R Obelheiro <rro(a)das.ufsc.br>
> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:27:50PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
> > I'd love to get as much of literature, ads, pdf's & stuff for all the
> > research editions, and package them up to celebrate the 40th...
>
> On a related note, does anyone know if the 1978 and 1984 issues of the
> Bell System Technical Journal dedicated to UNIX have been made
> available online, or if this is even a possibility? AFAIK, a few
> papers have appeared here and there, but having the full collection
> would be another nice way of celebrating the 40 years...
>
> Best regards,
> Rafael
>
> >
> > I've been doing some limited stuff with v1 & the BSD stuff but it'd be
> > fun to do something for 1/4/5/6/32v...
> >
> > Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the 16bit SYSIII stuff free?
> > I know it was 'ok' by the fact it had been omitted by the opening memo
> > that had stated that the 32bit versions of SYSIII & SYSV were not
> > free...
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tim Newsham <newsham(a)lava.net> wrote:
> > > So when do the official celebrations begin? Â What's a good estimate
> > > of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
> > >
> > > Tim Newsham
> > > http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
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All,
I've had two papers about early UNIX accepted. One is a paper about our
1st Edition UNIX restoration for the IEEE Journal of the History of Computing,
and the second is a paper about several early UNIX restorations including 1st
Ed for the Usenix 2009 technical conference.
This means that I'll be attending the Usenix conference in San Diego in
June, so if anybody else is attending I'd love to catch up with you guys.
Cheers all and again thanks for all the hard work and the fantastic results!
Warren Toomey
All, looks like I will be attending the Usenix technical conference in
San Diego in June this year, to present a paper on restoring some of the
early Unix artifacts. If anybody else is attending the conference, or is
in town, I would very much like to catch up.
P.S Unix turns 40 in mid-2009 as well. Happy birthday Unix!
Cheers,
Warren
Hi. Most of those files would seem to be the generic XDR and RPC code
that Sun released for general use.
The three nfs/* files make me curious though, since Sun would license
their implementation, but not give it away.
It may be that the UWisc dist actually used real Sun code, in which
case anyone using it would have needed a SunOS license also.
Ah, those were the days. I remember that the early versions of SunOS 4.1.x
had both RFS and NFS in them. The original System V Release 4 did too,
as did early versions of Solaris. Sometime around Solaris 5.3 or so Sun
wised up that no-one was using or cared about RFS and they pulled it
out of Solaris. :-)
Arnold
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:00:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Uwisc4.3 question...
> From: Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com>
> To: Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com>, tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by f7.net id n2OB0ta22275
>
> Yeah there is certainly sun code... for example here's the copyright
> bit in a file:
>
> /*
> * xdr.c, Generic XDR routines implementation.
> *
> * Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> *
> * These are the "generic" xdr routines used to serialize and de-serialize
> * most common data items. See xdr.h for more info on the interface to
> * xdr.
> */
>
> % egrep -ril 'sun microsystems' *
> h/des.h
> h/dnlc.h
> nfs/nfs_server.c
> nfs/nfs_vfsops.c
> nfs/nfs_vnodeops.c
> rpc/auth.h
> rpc/authunix_prot.c
> rpc/auth_kern.c
> rpc/auth_none.c
> rpc/auth_unix.c
> rpc/auth_unix.h
> rpc/clnt.h
> rpc/clnt_kudp.c
> rpc/clnt_perror.c
> rpc/clnt_raw.c
> rpc/clnt_simple.c
> rpc/clnt_tcp.c
> rpc/clnt_udp.c
> rpc/kudp_fastsend.c
> rpc/pmap_clnt.c
> rpc/pmap_clnt.h
> rpc/pmap_getmaps.c
> rpc/pmap_getport.c
> rpc/pmap_prot.c
> rpc/pmap_prot.h
> rpc/pmap_rmt.c
> rpc/rpc.h
> rpc/rpc_msg.h
> rpc/rpc_prot.c
> rpc/subr_kudp.c
> rpc/svc.c
> rpc/svc.h
> rpc/svc_auth.c
> rpc/svc_auth.h
> rpc/svc_auth_unix.c
> rpc/svc_kudp.c
> rpc/svc_raw.c
> rpc/svc_simple.c
> rpc/svc_tcp.c
> rpc/svc_udp.c
> rpc/xdr.c
> rpc/xdr.h
> rpc/xdr_array.c
> rpc/xdr_float.c
> rpc/xdr_mbuf.c
> rpc/xdr_mem.c
> rpc/xdr_rec.c
> rpc/xdr_reference.c
> rpc/xdr_stdio.c
> sys/heap_kmem.c
> sys/vfs_dnlc.c
> ufs/quota.c
> ufs/quota_syscalls.c
> ufs/quota_ufs.c
> ufs/ufs_dir.c
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:53:07 -0400
> >> From: Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com>
> >> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> >> Subject: [TUHS] Uwisc4.3 question...
> >>
> >> I went ahead and downloaded this [
> >> http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/ ],
> >> made up some tape images and installed it on SIMH... Â And what I found
> >> is that as far as I can tell there is *NO* information about this
> >> thing..
> >>
> >> All I can find is that it includes the vfs layer from SunOS and it's
> >> NFS... Â It looks like beta software from the root user being "The Not
> >> Ready for Prime Time Super User".
> >
> > Does the code actually say "Sun Microsystems"? Â If not, then this might have
> > been the VFS and NFS stuff that got folded back into BSD Reno.
> >
> > I think there were other schools that ran this. At the same time
> > as this entry (1989) I was a sysadmin in the computing center
> > of Emory University and we were running Mt. Xinu's mixture of
> > 4.3 BSD with NFS from Sun, and then later their commercial Unix
> > on Vax 11/780s, and starting to move to Sparcs running SunOS 4.0.
> One of the uni's I went to made that transition in the mid 90's.. At
> that time I didn't realize how many 'upgrades' they had made to Ultrix
> to make it... usable. Although I don't think I miss archie/veronica
> but the simplicity of pine/lynx is kind of there.. oh sure they still
> run on 'modern' things but it isn't the same really.
> >
> > The comp. center preferred having a vendor with whom there could be
> > a support contract - IIRC then otherwise we probably would have
> > been running this too.
> >
> > Ah, those were the days, when men were real men, and computers
> > were vaxen. :-)
> >
> >> FWIW here is the UUCP entry I found...
> >> ------
> >> #N Â Â eedsp
> >> #S Â Â Vax 11/780; 4.3+NFS Wisconsin Unix
> >> #O Â Â School of Electrical Engineering
> >> #C Â Â Deborah J. Jackson
> >> #E Â Â gt-eedsp!deb
> >> #T Â Â +1 404 894 3058
> >> #P Â Â School of EE, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA, 30332
> >> #L Â Â 84 23 43 W / 33 46 30 N
> >> #W Â Â eedsp!deb (Deb Jackson); Wed Jul 19 11:35:13 EDT 1989
> >> ------
> >
> > I knew Deb Jackson and worked with her a little when we were both at GT
> > (I was in Information and Computer Science, not EE) and then a lot when
> > I suggested that the start-up company I was at hire her (which they
> > did). I've not seen her in around 18 years, nor do I know where she is
> > now, although presumably she's still in Atlanta somewhere.
> >
> > Arnold
> >
>
> It's funny the weird things that get left around the internet... and
> the host file from that tape image is MASSIVE.. lol and I thought
> having a DNS zone with that many enteries was crazy... I did manage
> to hack the networking for it to work... It's not elegant, but
> commenting out the error checking in if_de's derecv procedure seems to
> work... I could ping around for the last 5 hours, and telnet into it.
> I'll have to build some package with simh to run it on windows...
>
I went ahead and downloaded this [
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/ ],
made up some tape images and installed it on SIMH... And what I found
is that as far as I can tell there is *NO* information about this
thing..
All I can find is that it includes the vfs layer from SunOS and it's
NFS... It looks like beta software from the root user being "The Not
Ready for Prime Time Super User".
There is also a tadl user, Tad Lebeck which I think is from "Storage
Confrence"..
Anyways it seems absent from the UNIX tree, and just about anywhere
from google's search of usenet, other then a single node running this
back in the UUCP days..
So is this a unique build of 4.3, is it it's own thing? Should it be
added to the unix tree? Did it get rolled back into RENO?
It does appear to be dead end, but I haven't combed that much thru it..
FWIW here is the UUCP entry I found...
------
#N eedsp
#S Vax 11/780; 4.3+NFS Wisconsin Unix
#O School of Electrical Engineering
#C Deborah J. Jackson
#E gt-eedsp!deb
#T +1 404 894 3058
#P School of EE, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA, 30332
#L 84 23 43 W / 33 46 30 N
#W eedsp!deb (Deb Jackson); Wed Jul 19 11:35:13 EDT 1989
------
And for the heck of it, a bootup log..
------
loading ra(0,0)boot
Boot
: ra(0,0)vmunix
290188+89696+102928 start 0x12f8
4.3 BSD UNIX #3: Mon Dec 29 11:54:56 CST 1986
tadl@brie:/usr/src/bsd/4.3/sys/GENERIC
real mem = 8388608
SYSPTSIZE limits number of buffers to 134
avail mem = 7136256
using 134 buffers containing 524288 bytes of memory
mcr0 at tr1
mcr1 at tr2
uba0 at tr3
hk0 at uba0 csr 177440 vec 210, ipl 15
rk0 at hk0 slave 0
rk1 at hk0 slave 1
rk2 at hk0 slave 2
rk3 at hk0 slave 3
uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 774, ipl 15
ra0 at uda0 slave 0
zs0 at uba0 csr 172520 vec 224, ipl 15
ts0 at zs0 slave 0
dz0 at uba0 csr 160100 vec 300, ipl 15
dz1 at uba0 csr 160110 vec 310, ipl 15
dz2 at uba0 csr 160120 vec 320, ipl 15
dz3 at uba0 csr 160130 vec 330, ipl 15
Changing root device to ra0a
Automatic reboot in progress...
Sat Mar 21 16:45:41 PST 1987
/dev/ra0a: 355 files, 5885 used, 1544 free (8 frags, 192 blocks, 0.1% fragmion)
/dev/rra0g: 12289 files, 65182 used, 180043 free (275 frags, 22471
blocks,fragmentation)
/dev/rra0h: 2 files, 9 used, 138575 free (15 frags, 17320 blocks, 0.0% fragtion)
Sat Mar 21 16:45:49 PST 1987
/dev/ra0a mounted on /
/dev/ra0g mounted on /usr
/dev/ra0h mounted on /mnt
starting rpc daemons: portmap rpcd.
starting system logger
starting local deamons: routed sendmail biod.
preserving editor files
clearing /tmp
standard daemons: update cron.
starting network daemons: inetd printer.
Sat Mar 21 16:45:54 PST 1987
Wisconsin UNIX (myname console)
4.3+NFS > V.*
login: root
Last login: Sat Mar 21 16:44:51 on console
4.3 BSD UNIX #3: Mon Dec 29 11:54:56 CST 1986
You have mail.
Don't login as root, use su
myname#
