I was researching various windowing systems for various reasons and I found
the mention of the V distributed sytem on the W article stub on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System
"W was originally developed at Stanford University by Paul Asente and Brian
Reid for the V operating system."
A few questions here: is V close enough to Unix to warrant winding up in
an "Other" category in the TUHS repository? Does anyone have a copy of it
(plus source if possible)? If so, who should I contact?
Thanks
Wesley Parish
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----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Engdahl <jrengdahl(a)gmail.com> -----
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:50:29 -0500
From: Jonathan Engdahl <jrengdahl(a)gmail.com>
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org, sms(a)2bsd.com
Subject: 2.11BSD
I don't know what got into me. I decided to fire up a PDP-11. I have not
touched one of these for about 5 years. I've mostly been messing with
embedded Linux stuff.
The 2.11BSD patch archive has gone offline. Do you know if there is a
mirror of this somewhere?
http://moe.2bsd.com/
Jonathan Engdahl
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Hi, Quing Feng,
at http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/pdp11 you'll find a detailed
description of the pdp-11 and its peripherals as needed for understanding design
and implementation of V6.
and at http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/script/chapt2.4 you'll find a
description of the init process.
have fun,
Wolfgang Helbig
Warren Thomas wrote:
>
>On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:44:59AM +0800, Hao Qingfeng-TKNV68 wrote:
>> Hello, Warren, Excuse me for my abruptness. I am QingFeng Hao from
>> China and got your mail from the website through google searching, :-).
>> I know you're expect on the operating system. Now I am researching the
>> Unix V6's source code , but I met some questions, if you could spend
>> some time to give some aim, I 'll apprecite it much.
>> Question1: After startup, process 1 runs in the user mode and execute
>> the file /etc/init actually, right? So what's the /etc/init's content?
>> When was it written to the disk(combined with Unix)?
>> Question2: Do you have any documents about the peripherals such as
>> KL-11, PC-11? I just got a pdp11/40 and a simple hardware manual from
>> the website. But they are not enough.
>> Thanks a lot.
>> QingFeng Hao
>> Moto-SME
>
>Hi QingFeng, I think you should join the PUPS mailing list ( see
>http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups ), as the people on
>the list should be able to answer your questions.
>
>Q1: The source code for V6 init.c is here:
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V6/usr/source/s1/init.c.html
>
>Q2: I would browse through this area of bitsavers.org:
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/
>
>Hope this helps, and if you have other questions please e-mail them
>to the PUPS mailing list, so that we can all help you out.
>
>Cheers,
> Warren
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:44:59AM +0800, Hao Qingfeng-TKNV68 wrote:
> Hello, Warren, Excuse me for my abruptness. I am QingFeng Hao from
> China and got your mail from the website through google searching, :-).
> I know you're expect on the operating system. Now I am researching the
> Unix V6's source code , but I met some questions, if you could spend
> some time to give some aim, I 'll apprecite it much.
> Question1: After startup, process 1 runs in the user mode and execute
> the file /etc/init actually, right? So what's the /etc/init's content?
> When was it written to the disk(combined with Unix)?
> Question2: Do you have any documents about the peripherals such as
> KL-11, PC-11? I just got a pdp11/40 and a simple hardware manual from
> the website. But they are not enough.
> Thanks a lot.
> QingFeng Hao
> Moto-SME
Hi QingFeng, I think you should join the PUPS mailing list ( see
http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups ), as the people on
the list should be able to answer your questions.
Q1: The source code for V6 init.c is here:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V6/usr/source/s1/init.c.html
Q2: I would browse through this area of bitsavers.org:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/
Hope this helps, and if you have other questions please e-mail them
to the PUPS mailing list, so that we can all help you out.
Cheers,
Warren
Does anyon know if any of the Unix versions for the Integrated Soulutions
68K CPU (the one that went in QBUS boxes) is still in existence and
available anywhere? Also, there wre alternate PROMS that did MACSBUG
is there any chance someone here knows if that is available any where?
bill
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My recollection from those days was that Banyan Vines was developed in
collaboration with DEC. I think it would have been more likely that it was
BSD or (eek) ULTRIX based. I was working on system and network management
at AT&T USO/USL/Novell/HP until 1997 and never heard it mentioned that
Banyan Vines was on any sort of System V license though we were all quite
aware of the product. I think I would have heard something if they were
³one of ours.² Given the timeframe it would more likely have been some sort
of 7th edition license, but in those days BSD would have been the more
logical choice. This is just my recollection, however. I¹ll see what I can
track down in terms of facts.
Very truly yours,
- janet
Janet Frazer Sala
>
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:56:26 -0700
> From: Andrew Warkentin <andreww(a)datanet.ab.ca>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Banyan Vines? Banyan/ePresence dissolves self
> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Message-ID: <47A18D3A.5090401(a)datanet.ab.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Wesley Parish wrote:
>
>> >Who would one need to get in touch with, to ask about the possibility of
>> >getting the various obsolete Banyan Vines bits and pieces donated to TUHS?
>> >(It was based on a Unix kernel, so I would say it - one of the first NOSes
>> to
>> >have a directory - should be part of the TUHS repository.)
>> >
>> >
> Wasn't it based on System V? Wouldn't that prevent it from being
> released? (unless they made a similar deal with AT&T to the one Sun
> made, which is very unlikely)
I was reading Graklaw for more-of-the-same - boneheaded companies taking on
productive people with intent to reduce dangerous productivity in favour of
monopolizing transaction tokens ie, money - and I came across the article on
some_bright_spark suing some other company for daring to try protecting
networks from email-borne spam:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080125135544713
Which got me thinking - Banyan Vines was a player back then, and the comments
mentioned only Novell. Surely there's something about Banyan's Vines?
I did a google search and found this:
http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2007/12/24/daily7.html?ana=…
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
Liquidating ePresence distributes cash
Mass High Tech: The Journal of New England Technology
<snip>
Framingham's ePresence Inc. reports a plan to distribute cash to its
shareholders as part of its dissolution plan.
The distribution of $3.6 million, or 14 cents per common share, is expected
to be paid this week to those who were ePresence shareholders as of June 23,
2004. The distribution, combined with the previous distributions totaling
$4.15 per share, would return a total $4.29 per share to ePresence
shareholders, company officials said.
EPresence was launched in 1983 as Banyan Systems, selling a network operating
system and directory. But competitors such as Novell Inc. and Microsoft Corp.
subsequently moved into that market and Banyan switched focus in 1997.
In 2003, ePresence sold it services business to Unisys Corp. for $11.5
million. In 2004, the company sold its online telephone directory division
Switchboard Inc. to Bellevue, Wash.-based InfoSpace Inc. for $160 million.
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Who would one need to get in touch with, to ask about the possibility of
getting the various obsolete Banyan Vines bits and pieces donated to TUHS?
(It was based on a Unix kernel, so I would say it - one of the first NOSes to
have a directory - should be part of the TUHS repository.)
Thanks
Wesley Parish
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Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are
impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla
warfare means up to their monkey tricks.
Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom
of the foolish.
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
I'm pinging my contacts to see if I can find a place to host a mirror.
I think that Oregon State Open Source Lab has a fat link to the net
and I used to know Scott K but he's moved on. If I get anywhere I'll
get back to the list.
BTW, whoever is the listmom, can you change me from digest to regular?
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