I seem to remember that for System V TCP/IP that you needed
STREAMS first, so that was SVR3. It may have been back potred
but I don't know. And after that, then you had a choice of
Wollongong or Lachman implementations. Bell Labs had their own as well,
but I believe that was only available internally. Amdahl UTS used
Lachman (which I kind of remember might have been Convergent's code),
but at Indian Hill it was removed and the home grown one put in.
I don't know who did the kernel code, but the user land utilities
were BSD ports done by Ralph Knag in Murray Hill. This was an
interesting setup as it was System/370 hardware so it had a
channel to ethernet device from Spartacus, probably a K200 since
there was a "k200" command to fiddle with it. I largely ignored
TCP/IP initially as on the first UTS release, just telneting out of it
used a ton of system CPU, something would loop in the kernel instead of
going to sleep. Besides we had Datakit for interactive connectivity,
and NSC HyperChannel for intra-datacenter file transfer
(which I remember being something like 50mbs in 1987)
For the original SVR4, the official porting base was the 3b2 and that
group from Summit (which was later spun off as Unix Systems Laboraties
(USL)) used Lachman as well for it's TCP/IP.
> I was wondering if anyone had access to any SYSV for the VAX and could
> say what levels support TCP/IP?
>
> I put in a request at http://www.novell.com/licensing/ntap/legal.html
> to see if they are even entertaining the sale of SYSV licenses... But
> I kind of figure they don't have the actual material itself....
>
> I know A/UX a SYSVr2.2 had TCP/IP but I don't know if it was in the
> AT&T base, or if it was something that UniSoft had added...
>
> Anyways thanks for any/all responses....
>
> Oh and FWIW I've gotten a super minimal SYSIII thing booting on SIMH!
> I've just have to work out some more disk formatting/restoring as the
> root partition sizes don't agree between 32v & SYSIII....
>
> Jason
Hi
(Sorry this was supposed to go out on my fairhaven account not my work email.
I do apologies if it comes through twice, still learning kmail!!)
Just out of curiosity, why not host some of the stuff on the tuhs website ? (i
could be wrong and their might be some copy write stuff but if  dmr wont
mind ?
Regards,
Angus
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 05:25, Seth Morabito wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know if it's worth mentioning...
> >
> > but it looks like Dennis Ritchie's page is down....
> >
> > http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/
> >
> > At least there is the wayback machine
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20070930200555/http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who
> >/dmr/
>
> Sadly, the Wayback Machine is now not serving up the page either:
>
> "We're sorry, access to http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Â has been
> blocked by the site owner via robots.txt."
>
> Indeed, the host's robots.txt file has this entry in it toward the bottom:
>
> User-agent: *
> Disallow: /
>
> so I assume that the site has been re-scraped since coming back up,
> and is now no longer made available by the Internet Archive, according
> to their stated policy on robots.txt exclusions.
>
> Just an oversight, I'm sure, but it shows off the fragility of
> information on the web. Â You cannot trust the Internet Archive to make
> information publicly available forever.
>
> -Seth
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I was wondering if anyone had access to any SYSV for the VAX and could
say what levels support TCP/IP?
I put in a request at http://www.novell.com/licensing/ntap/legal.html
to see if they are even entertaining the sale of SYSV licenses... But
I kind of figure they don't have the actual material itself....
I know A/UX a SYSVr2.2 had TCP/IP but I don't know if it was in the
AT&T base, or if it was something that UniSoft had added...
Anyways thanks for any/all responses....
Oh and FWIW I've gotten a super minimal SYSIII thing booting on SIMH!
I've just have to work out some more disk formatting/restoring as the
root partition sizes don't agree between 32v & SYSIII....
Jason
Hi,
>> but it looks like Dennis Ritchie's page is down....
>>
>> http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/
it is online again. Thanks to whoever put it back to live!
Wolfgang Helbig
On 20 May 2009, at 05:56, Derek Peschel wrote:
> Interesting question! And related questions -- When did the current
> start of the epoch get chosen? Were there any false starts or early
> changes? (I seem to recall reading about one change, moving forward
> by a year.) And were there ever any dates in the system that couldn't
> be correctly recorded, because the epoch started too late?
The current epoch was choose for the 4th edition, the man page date
is 8/5/73. The first edition's epoch was 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971.
This can be obtained from the time(2) man page. Here they are parapharsed,
I like that epoch changed from the second to thrid editions, but the
man page date did not; and the "bugs" line from the 3rd edition is memorable.
v1:
DATE: 11/3/71
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The chronological-minded user will note that 2**32 slxtieths of a seeond is only about 2.5 years.
v2:
DATE: 3/15/72
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1971, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The chronological-minded user will note that 2**32 slxtieths of a seeond is only about 2.5 years.
v3:
DATE: 3/15/72
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1972, measured in sixtieths of a second.
BUGS: The time is stored in 32 bits. This guarantees a crisis every 2.26 years.
v4:
DATE: 8/5/73
DESCRIPTION: time returns the time since 00:00:00 GMT, Jan. 1, 1970, measured in seconds.
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 01:16:18 -0400
> From: Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX turns forty
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> What more (well to me) is that interactive Unix was the first
> commercial unix.... I suspect all versions of it's PDP-11 & VAX stuff
> is lost forever?
>
> Does anyone know why Kodak would have bought them? Â I suspect they had
> some imaging stuff going....?
They did have microfiche printers running a custom X11 interface.
So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Tim Newsham
http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
I have a question about something in this link:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Seminars/Saving_Unix/
Where it says:
Two other PUPS members, Norman Wilson and Robert D. Keys, have
been OCR'ing the manuals from 1st Edition up to 5th Edition,
so that they can be given to Dennis and added to the PUPS Archive.
That was back in 1999. Did this ever happen? If not, any chance of
getting it to happen?
Thanks!
Arnold
