14 Jan
2021
14 Jan
'21
5:41 a.m.
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
--
Royce
14 Jan
14 Jan
5:44 a.m.
Congratulations, Ken. Well deserved!
Deborah
On 1/13/21 3:41 PM, Royce Williams wrote:
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM
Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
--
Royce
10:59 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021, Royce Williams wrote:
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM
Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved.
Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; their
foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.
An exchange with my then boss:
Me: "Eunice makes VMS look civilised".
He: "You mean it looks like Unix".
Me: "That's what I said".
As you can imagine the conversation went downhill from there :-)
-- Dave
1:12 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Dave Horsfall wrote:
As you can imagine the conversation went downhill from
there :-)
I'm sure it's been seen before but I think it's timely...
https://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09
And congratulations Ken. If only everyone knew how Unix has changed the
world...
Rob
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:35 a.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Robert Brockway wrote:
I'm sure it's been seen before but I think
it's timely...
https://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09
Oh dear...
And congratulations Ken. If only everyone knew how
Unix has changed the
world...
Indeed!
-- Dave
4:22 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:00 AM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is
well-deserved.
Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; their
foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.
Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. I was always
very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today. Ultrix, on the other hand,
was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as opposed to Solaris which was the other
way around.
The Dilbert strip probably explains why everyone who could, wore beards in
those days. Just to prevent that mistake.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan(a)ccil.org
Being understandable rather than obscurantist poses certain
risks, in that one's opinions are clear and therefore falsifiable
in the light of new data, but it has the advantage of encouraging
feedback from others. --James A. Matisoff
16 Jan
16 Jan
2:14 a.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Cowan wrote:
I have alternative facts :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_(software)
``Eunice was a Unix-like working environment for VAX computers
running DEC's VAX/VMS, based on the BSD version of Unix. It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved.
Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc;
their foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.
Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. I was
always very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today. Ultrix, on the
other hand, was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as opposed to Solaris
which was the other way around. The Dilbert strip probably explains why everyone who
could, wore beards
in those days. Just to prevent that mistake.
At one place I worked, every Unix bod sported facial fungus; it must be a
Unix thing...
-- Dave
4:17 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
Whose foray?
Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement?
8:29 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7
and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2
and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong
feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice
would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more
refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and
there was always much rivalry between the two companies...
Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed
to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out
significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's
the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original
license to know...
Warner
Whose
foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement?
20 Jan
20 Jan
4:29 a.m.
INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.
Heinz
On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org
<mailto:cowan@ccil.org>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org
<mailto:dave@horsfall.org>> wrote:
Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at
SRI and sold by
the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian
connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement?
Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They
sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was
4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways
that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack
that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP
offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by
Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between
the two companies...
Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company
formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later
branched out significantly because their license was so special... Or
at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I
never saw the original license to know...
Warner
4:33 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz Lycklama <heinz(a)osta.com> wrote:
INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX
system to an
early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.
What relationship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that based
on V7 or V32?" is the right question...
Also, this wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance there's a
paper / article / etc on this?
And thank you for your remembrance...
Warner
Heinz
On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7
and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2
and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong
feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice
would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more
refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and
there was always much rivalry between the two companies...
Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed
to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out
significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's
the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original
license to know...
Warner
Whose
foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement?
11:21 a.m.
No relation to either V32 or V7. When we started the project
we used the existing version of UNIX that we were selling on
the PDP 11/45 and PDP 11/70 computers. I believe it was V6.
I wrote a lot of documentation and gave a lot of talks and
presentations on the system, but never kept any of the
documentation myself. There may be some documentation
in someone's archives but I did not keep any.
Heinz
On 1/19/2021 2:33 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz Lycklama <heinz(a)osta.com
<mailto:heinz@osta.com>> wrote:
INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
early VAX 11/750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.
What relationship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that
based on V7 or V32?" is the right question...
Also, this wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance
there's a paper / article / etc on this?
And thank you for your remembrance...
Warner
Heinz
On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org
<mailto:cowan@ccil.org>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org <mailto:dave@horsfall.org>> wrote:
Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built
at SRI and
sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian
connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1]
and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement?
Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years.
They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice
was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS
in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The
TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for
Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version,
also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was
always much rivalry between the two companies...
Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing
company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they
later branched out significantly because their license was so
special... Or at least that's the story they told customers and
internally... I never saw the original license to know...
Warner
18 Jan
18 Jan
4:19 a.m.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, John Cowan wrote (and somehow mangled the formatting)::
You appeared to disagree with my (joking) observation that Eunice made VMS
look civilised, as though Eunice was never designed for it (I have the
thread archived somewhere).
-- Dave
Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI
and sold by
the
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and
later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
Where's the disagreement? 
7:21 p.m.
Ken,
Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more respect for ACM :-)
Cheers,
Jim
From: "Royce Williams" <royce(a)techsolvency.com>
To: "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
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Subject: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
--
Royce
9:19 p.m.
Jim Capp wrote in
<8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
...
|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
|respect for ACM :-)
Wonderful. Laughter.
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
15 Jan
15 Jan
3:27 a.m.
thank you.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen(a)sdaoden.eu> wrote:
Jim Capp wrote in
<8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
...
|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
|respect for ACM :-)
Wonderful. Laughter.
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
4:57 a.m.
Ken Thompson wrote in
<CAMP=X_m09p6yhoqFJg7rxf_7ydkZNyVB3HJ6so=4Z6yNO_1rsA(a)mail.gmail.com>:
|On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen(a)sdaoden.eu> \
|wrote:
|> Jim Capp wrote in
|> <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
|> ...
|>|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
|>|respect for ACM :-)
|>
|> Wonderful. Laughter.
|thank you.
This surely is a mountainful of all in return (Mr. Ken Thompson).
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
14 Jan
14 Jan
8:20 p.m.
Congratulations, Ken! Well deserved.
Best regards,
Niklas
Den tors 14 jan. 2021 kl 00:43 skrev Royce Williams <royce(a)techsolvency.com
:
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM
Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
--
Royce
15 Jan
15 Jan
10:26 a.m.
Congratulations Ken Thompson. 127 was an inspiration to all us
old time BTL folks. In my view this award is long overdue.
Go well and stay well.
Ed
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM Royce Williams <royce(a)techsolvency.com>
wrote:
Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM
Fellow:
https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
--
Royce
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