Hi all,
It's time to call again for volunteers to help out with the
distribution of the PUPS Archive. In particular, if you have received
a CD of the archive within the last 9 months, and you can duplicate it,
then please let me know if you are willing to distribute a few CDs a month.
We have a need for people in Asia, Japan, Australia, South America, but
I'll take anybody anywhere!
Many thanks in advance for your offers.
Cheers,
Warren
Warren is right that even the First Edition manual says that init
mounts /usr, implying that /usr was a distinct file system even that
early. It seems to me that the original question Greg forwarded
from the NetBSD list was also after when /usr/bin appeared, which
isn't necessarily the same date.
A possible answer from old manuals:
- Second Edition sh(I) (dated 3/15/72):
If the first argument is the name of an executable file,
it is invoked; otherwise the string "/bin/" is prepended
to the argument. (In this way the standard commands,
which reside in "/bin", are found.) If the "/bin" file
exists, but is not executable, it is used by the shell
as a command file.
- Third Edition sh(I) (dated 1/15/73):
If the first argument is the name of an executable file,
it is invoked; otherwise the string "/bin/" is prepended
to the argument. (In this way most standard commands,
which reside in "/bin", are found.) If no such command
is found, the string "/usr" is further prepended (to give
"/usr/bin/command") and another attempt is made to execute
the resulting file. (Certain "overflow" commands live in
"/usr/bin".) If the "/usr/bin" file exists, but is not
executable, it is used by the shell as a command file.
Notice the odd detail that non-executable files in /bin (early on)
or /usr/bin (later) get special treatment. Does this mean that
shell scripts that weren't in /usr/bin had to be invoked explicitly
via `sh script' instead of just `script'?
Even deeper historic trivia: it occurred to me to check the fragments
of the PDP-7 system I have on paper to see whether /usr existed then.
I was quickly reminded that it almost certainly didn't because subdirectories
weren't really used then; there were no pathnames in that system.
(You could open only files in the working directory, though you could
link from another directory.) When asked to invoke `x', the shell first
tried to open `x', then to link `x' from directory `system' and open the
result. (Presumably it remembered to remove the needless link after the
open, but I'm not quite certain; the old paper copy is missing a few
lines just there.) So even the name `bin' doesn't date back quite to
the beginning.
Norman Wilson
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In article by norman(a)nose.cs.utoronto.ca:
> - Second Edition sh(I) (dated 3/15/72):
> If the first argument is the name of an executable file,
> it is invoked; otherwise the string "/bin/" is prepended
> to the argument. (In this way the standard commands,
> which reside in "/bin", are found.) If the "/bin" file
> exists, but is not executable, it is used by the shell
> as a command file.
> Notice the odd detail that non-executable files in /bin (early on)
> or /usr/bin (later) get special treatment. Does this mean that
> shell scripts that weren't in /usr/bin had to be invoked explicitly
> via `sh script' instead of just `script'?
Can't tell, we don't have the source code. In the Nsys kernel (dated
just before the 4th Edition), files must have the execute bit on or
they can't be exec(2)d.
Warren
I've tried running the image in /Boot_Images/2.11_on_rl02 on
Supnik's emulator version 2.3d, but the root filsystem seems
corrupted, with many binaries being unexecutable, bad block
error messages, etc.
Does anyone know how to successfully boot this image?
If this is the wrong place for this kind of question, or if
there's a FAQ on this, then please point me in the right
direction.
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In article by lars brinkhoff:
> I've tried running the image in /Boot_Images/2.11_on_rl02 [from the PUPS
> Archive] on Supnik's emulator version 2.3d, but the root filsystem seems
> corrupted, with many binaries being unexecutable, bad block
> error messages, etc.
>
> Does anyone know how to successfully boot this image?
Hmm, if I get a chance I'll try it here. Has anybody used this image
successfully?
Warren
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Hi --
> From: lars brinkhoff <lars(a)nocrew.org>
> I've tried running the image in /Boot_Images/2.11_on_rl02 on
> Supnik's emulator version 2.3d, but the root filsystem seems
> corrupted, with many binaries being unexecutable, bad block error messages,
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how to successfully boot this image?
Yes. The problem is not with the images (although the whole "on rl02"
is a pain - you're far better off using the "xp" or large disk support
that Bob added).
> If this is the wrong place for this kind of question, or if
> there's a FAQ on this, then please point me in the right direction.
This is a very good place to ask this type of question.
And now the moment you've been waiting for: "the Answer" ;)
2.11BSD is *very* upset at having to run in 256kb of memory. since
the kernel plus buffer cache (and other data structures) can easily
exceed 200kb there is not enough memory left over to run a program.
Programs such as 'fsck' are fairly large split I/D programs and won't
fit in the remaining ~56kb or so.
The quick fix to the problem is adding the line:
set cpu 2048K
to the config file before running the simulator. That will give the
simulated PDP-11 2Mb of memory which is a real nice size. Oh, if
memory is a concern on the system then "set cpu 1024K" will work
well. Since there's no networking involved 1Mb will be quite adequate.
If you were using "P11" (the Begemot emulator) and had the full IP/TCP
stack, etc then the kernel+networking+buffers can reach close to 400Kb
and you might want to use 2Mb for the memory size.
You might also look into the latest version (2.5) of the Begemot
emulator. The two key advantages of P11 are: 1) a emulated DEQNA so
you can place the PDP11 on a network, 2) It keeps _good_ time
(version 2.4 and earlier had severe timeskew when running compute
bound programs, 2.5 is awesomely better and within range of "ntp"
to keep the clock correct). P11 also supports (as does Bob Supnik's
simulator) large disks such as the RP06 which is much nicer than
4 RL02s and a batch of RK05s.
Hmmm, I'm not sure which rev level of 2.11BSD is in the "on_rl02"
images - I hope it has the "bounce buffer support" to handle the 18bit
RK controller on a 22bit bus... If the RK images show corrupt or the
kernel crashes then I would suspect the kernel is a bit too old.
Unpack the "211bsd_on_rl02" images from the .gz images, edit the
"script" file to increase the system memory and you should be all
set to go.
Steven
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Subject: Early file system layouts (was: Splitting / and /usr)
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Saw this on a NetBSD list.
Greg
----- Forwarded message from "Alistair G. Crooks" <agc(a)ftp.netbsd.org> -----
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
> To: kre(a)munnari.oz.au
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>
> Robert,
>
> [Off topic warning]
>
>>> Did you not know that /usr was split off only because the disks were too
>>> small to keep everything on one way back in the early days
>>
>> That's how I heard it too - but this split must have occurred way back
>> very early in the days before anyone outside Bell Labs had ever heard of
>> unix (as I remember it, even the CACM paper had /usr in it).
>
> I believe that the topic of splitting / and /usr was discussed
> at the Glasgow University meeting of the UKUUG, which was around
> 1978, if my memory serves me well. As the first copy of V5 and V6
> came out of the labs in the 1975/1976 timeframe, I suspect it came
> later. I don't have my copy of the CACM paper to hand, so I can't
> check dates.
>
> Whilst I attented the University there at that time, I didn't attend
> the conference - more fool me.
>
> I suspect that Alistair Kilgour or Zdravko Podolski could provide
> more information, or any of the Bell Labs alumni who were there.
>
> agc
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> To: "Alistair G. Crooks" <agc(a)ftp.netbsd.org>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Alistair G. Crooks" <agc(a)ftp.netbsd.org>
> Message-ID: <200004120831.BAA06860(a)nbftp.isc.org>
>
>> [Off topic warning]
>
> Ditto - but recording history sometimes has its uses...
>
>> I believe that the topic of splitting / and /usr was discussed
>> at the Glasgow University meeting of the UKUUG, which was around
>> 1978,
>
> It was definitely done before that.
>
> Unfortunately, I can't find a 5th edition manual (or even a reprinted
> facsimilie thereof at the minute), but the 6th edition manual for sh(1)
> says ...
>
> If the first argument [ on a command line ] is the name of an
> executable file, it is invoked; otherwise the string `/bin' is
> prepended to the argument. (In this way most standard commands,
> which reside in `/bin', are found.) If no such command is found,
> the string `/usr' is further prepended (to give `/usr/bin/command')
> and another attempt is made to execute the resulting file. (Certain
> lesser-used commands live in `/usr/bin'.)
>
> The sixth edition manual is dated May 75, but the date on the sh man page
> is 5/15/74 (which I interpret as the 15th of May, 1974).
>
> For those who are new to unix (within the last 20 years) note that there
> was no notion of a user settable path...
>
>> I don't have my copy of the CACM paper to hand, so I can't
>> check dates.
>
> I have checked now, and it says nothing either way, so that is no help.
> Kernighan's "Unix for Beginners" (of a generally similar vintage) gives
> a diagrammatic view of the filesystem tree, in which all that exists in
> /usr are user directories, though that is not really conclusive.
>
>> I suspect that Alistair Kilgour or Zdravko Podolski could provide
>> more information, or any of the Bell Labs alumni who were there.
>
> I will see if Dennis will tell me...
>
> kre
>
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> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:36:15 +1000
> From: Robert Elz <kre(a)munnari.OZ.AU>
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>
>> I will see if Dennis will tell me...
>
> He did, ...
>
> But early; definitely by the time of the "nsys" system, the
> first C version, which was 1973.
>
> And ...
>
> The point of /usr/bin was really to find a place to put
> those binaries. (The .5MB disk was pretty cramped even
> with with two of them, as we later had).
>
> which (if we ever needed it) is confirmation or the original reason...
>
> kre
>
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[ This came to me from a NetBSD mailing list, via Greg Lehey ]
Someone said.....
> >>> Did you not know that /usr was split off only because the disks were too
> >>> small to keep everything on one way back in the early days
Someone else said....
> > I believe that the topic of splitting / and /usr was discussed
> > at the Glasgow University meeting of the UKUUG, which was around
> > 1978, if my memory serves me well. As the first copy of V5 and V6
> > came out of the labs in the 1975/1976 timeframe, I suspect it came
> > later. I don't have my copy of the CACM paper to hand, so I can't
> > check dates.
The answer is: UNIX had / and /usr split by at least the time of the
July 1974 CACM paper ``The UNIX Time-sharing system''.
Here is the evidence:
At http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS/Images/ken-and-den.txt and
http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS/Images/ken-and-den.jpg
you will find a picture of Ken and Dennis at the PDP-11/20 around 1972.
The commentary in the text file from John Holden tell us that the disk
drives are RF-11 and RK03 drives.
RF-11 drives were fixed head drives with 512K of storage with fast access.
RK03s and RK05s could store 2M, but were not as fast as RF-11s.
The source code to (nearly) 3rd Edition UNIX, dated August 31, 1973, only
has drivers for two disks, RF-11s and RK05s. This source code is in the
PUPS Archive, http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS. You need a Unix src license.
Now, the July 1974 CACM paper says this:
In our installation, for example, the root directory resides
on the fixed-head disk, and the large disk drive, which contains
user's files, is mounted by the system initialization program; ....
To me, this strongly indicates that / and /usr were split by at least
July 1974, if not the earlier date of August 1973.
Cheers all,
Warren
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In article by Warren Toomey:
> The answer is: UNIX had / and /usr split by at least the time of the
> July 1974 CACM paper ``The UNIX Time-sharing system''.
I just found some more evidence. The 2nd Edition UNIX manual is dated
June 1972, but the actual man pages have their date of last modification.
The manual for init(7), dated 15th June 1972, says:
[ If console switches are set to 173030, a shell is attached to the
console immediately, i.e single-user mode ]
Otherwise, init does some housekeeping: the mode of each DECtape
file is changed to [read-write] (in case the system crashed during
a tap command); directory /usr is mounted on the RK0 disk; directory
/sys is mounted on the RK1 disk.
Cheers,
Warren
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In article by Warren Toomey:
> In article by Warren Toomey:
> > The answer is: UNIX had / and /usr split by at least the time of the
> > July 1974 CACM paper ``The UNIX Time-sharing system''.
>
> I just found some more evidence.
And more, from the 1st Edition init(7) man page dated 3rd November, 1971.
Directory usr is assigned via sys mount as resident on the RK disk.
and sys mount means the mount(2) system call.
Cheers,
Warren
Hi all,
I'd just like to welcome the new people to the PUPS list. This
is probably the first e-mail in the list for a few weeks. I've been pretty
busy at work, but there is some interesting news on the old UNIX front.
+ SCO has now sold over 220 old Unix licenses, and I have something like
120 license holders with access to the on-line PUPS Archive. We've lost
count of the number of CDs produced by the PUPS Volunteers (thanks guys!)
+ I've got some Y2K patches for Unix coming in from Alexey Chupahin in
Russia. Once I get them sorted out, they will be put into the archive.
+ The baton of old Unix at SCO has been passed from Dion Johnson to David
Eyes and now to Paul Kaspian, their Open Source Marketing Manager. There
will be some changes to the Ancient UNIX license. If you haven't bought
a license, I would recommend NOT sending in any money just yet.
This will be good news, but I'm waiting on SCO to announce the details.
I'll keep you all informed as usual.
Cheers,
Warren
P.S the Minix operating system has been released under a BSD license. Anybody
want to port it to the PDP-11 family?
Someone is offering me an 11/23 with (I think) 2 small disks
(RL-something) which are meant to bbe 10Mb each (maybe 5?)
Can someone tell me what Unices this will run? It has no media other
than the disks (it has, I think, RT-11), but I've read about people
getting stuff into things down a serial line -- how practical is that?
Thanks
--tim
I saw the following on the linux-vax list. It seems to me it might be
worthwhile for us to get more info on the scope of the project, its terms,
and to see if we can collectively contribute to it. We'd all benefit from
having better access to old DEC documentation.
-brian.
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To: linux-vax(a)mithra.physics.montana.edu
Subject: RE: VS3100m76 ethernet problem
> > I took out the Owners manual that I forgot to send you, but it
> > states that 0000.0001 is normal, and if the last digit is anything
> > else it should/could still work normaly. Every error in the Error Code
> > table is 0000.x00y (for example: 0000.600C Loopback failed).
The Dallas/Fort Worth DECUS local users group is scanning all Digital
documentation, no matter how old. You might contact them
(denton(a)dsserv.com or wisniewski(a)dwlug.decus.org) to see if they'd like to
copy your manuals.
You get a free copy of everything they've scanned when they finish.
I'm looking for copies of old AT&T licenses for a book I'm writing on the
history of free software. I'm most interested in the source licenses to
UNIX V6 and V7 -- I'd like to examine the wording difference between the
two -- but I'd be interested in obtaining copies of licenses for all
versions, both source and binary. If anyone has copies they'd be willing
to make available to me, or if anyone knows where I can get copies, I'd
really appreciate the information. Thanks!
-Eugene
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I've just been asked a rather unusual question: when you build a BSD
kernel, the name of the configuration file is traditionally upper
case. Does anybody have insight as to why this should be?
Greg
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>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> writes:
Greg> I've just been asked a rather unusual question: when you build a BSD
Greg> kernel, the name of the configuration file is traditionally upper
Greg> case. Does anybody have insight as to why this should be?
The same reason that Makefile has an upper-case first letter -- so it
appears early in an ls listing, rather than in the middle of a big
long list.
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> Also, the white paper on BeOS claims that with all the new advances in
> hardware, modern OS's have too many layers, which they call 'silt', to
> allow them to use the hardware effectively. They argue that only
> starting from scratch allows full use of modern technology, including
> multimedia advances. How can FreeBSD keep up? We don't have kernel
> threading and SMP support is still in the works, and most BSD features
> are 'add-ons'. Should this be a concern for the future?
Unlike BeOS, FreeBSD is multiuser, and supports the concept of
credentials. I was asked to do some work porting some things,
including NFS, SMB, NetWare, and filesystem support to BeOS,
but it has an intrinsic lack of a security model, which can not
be easily overcome. It is not suitable as a server OS.
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Any suggestions as to where I can get my hands on boot ROM's (or
data files. I have access to an EPROM programmer) for use with an 11/73?
A boot-ROM Qbus card would be nice too..
I'm trying to build up a new 11/73 (heh.. 'new' ;-) with an ex-uVAX BA213
chassis. (the original KA650 is in storage as a spare for my running machine)
I have most of the stuff I need (anybody have a spare 4 Mbyte QBUS card??) and
can re-use most of the QBUS cards from the uVAX (with an Emulex UC07
SCSI card! yeah!), but I don't have any boot ROM's or a ROM-card
for the 11/73.
The CPU card is a dual-wide version, so no on-board ROM's :-(
So far my searches have turned up little or nothing in this area, but I
hope that the combined brain-power here knows some addresses I can
try..
Thanx!
Bye, Arno,
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>Any suggestions as to where I can get my hands on boot ROM's (or
>data files. I have access to an EPROM programmer) for use with an 11/73?
>A boot-ROM Qbus card would be nice too..
[Later comment indicates a KDJ11-A...]
If you don't mind a toggle-in (err, um, ODT-in) bootstrap, you can
find a selection (some of them with disassemblies) at
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/
just click on "Bootstraps". If you really insist on rolling your
own from scratch, you can burn these (modified if you want) into your
own EPROM's.
Chances are that if you find a Q-bus card that takes EPROM's it will
already have a boot ROM in it. For more on what's out there, read
Micronote #3 "Compatible Bootstraps for the LSI-11/73" and Micronote #15
"Q-Bus Hardware Bootstraps". If you don't have a printed set of
Micronotes handy, you can click on the above link at metalab and
then click on the Micronote index.
>I have most of the stuff I need (anybody have a spare 4 Mbyte QBUS card??) and
>can re-use most of the QBUS cards from the uVAX (with an Emulex UC07
>SCSI card! yeah!), but I don't have any boot ROM's or a ROM-card
>for the 11/73.
The UC07 has an onboard PDP-11 bootstrap you can enable. Why not just
turn it on?
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In article by Mirian Crzig Lennox:
> Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> writes:
> >
> > The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
> > it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun). Warren,
> > is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
> > licenses?
>
> After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to prevent
> licence holders from sharing code with other licence holders. If this
> is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less desirable to
> hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.
> --Mirian
Currently out of town. Still, it might be worth asking SCO for a discount!
Does the license cover all of Solaris, or just the kernel??
Cheers,
Warren
