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For what it's worth, the time has finally arrived for others to
get a chance to play with Ultrix-11 again. I have sent two RL02
images off to Warren to find their way intot he archives (if he
so desires!!) They are not without their problems, however. I
built them on a MicroPDP-11/23.
Configuration:
CPU 11/23+
Memory 3072K
2 RL02 disks
1 TS11 tape
Apparently, this means more to the Ultrix than to something likr
RT11. Using the Supnik emulator, I was unable to build a kernel
and even vi core dumps. But then, I am not really sure just what
the Supnik emulator is emulating. Could it perhaps be emulating
a UNIBUS box and the fact that I do not have support for the map
be a problem?? We'll see eventually, I'm sure.
I tried the demo version of E11 but it lacks sufficient memory
for this to do anything. No vi (just says :too big"), no sysgen
(just hangs). If anybody from Dbit is listening, I don't suppose
there's any chance you would be willing to give me copies of the
full DOS and Linux versions for educational use that I could use
to test this out??
I still haven't been able to get into the Begemot site, so I
don't know if it will work with their emulator or not.
Are there any others out there worth trying it with??
But, anyway, there you have it. Warren wil probsabyl have it up
before too long. I am willing to answer any questions I can for
people trying to get it running.
All the best.
bill
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Hello,
I just wanted to let you know that GNU binutils now supports PDP-11
processors and 2.11BSD binary file formats, at least to some degree.
Thanks to all the people who explained the details of the PDP-11.
More info:
http://pdp11.nocrew.org/
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what is being discussed here, but
I think the difference is that without the FP11 all you have are
4 simple Floating Point Instructions. FADD, FSUB, FMUL and FDIV.
The FP11 adds a number of additional Instructions. I have never
had a machine with the FP11 (Hmmmm, wonder if my new 11/93 has it?)
so I don't know them off the top of my head, but my Macro-11 book
is near at hand if anybody wants me to look it up.
bill
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what is being discussed here, but
> I think the difference is that without the FP11 all you have are
> 4 simple Floating Point Instructions. FADD, FSUB, FMUL and FDIV.
No, that's the FIS instructions. They are only available on the 11/35,
11/40, LSI-11 and perhaps some other model that I don't remember.
The J11 has the F11 in microcode. The FP11 for the J11 is an accelerator.
> The FP11 adds a number of additional Instructions. I have never
> had a machine with the FP11 (Hmmmm, wonder if my new 11/93 has it?)
> so I don't know them off the top of my head, but my Macro-11 book
> is near at hand if anybody wants me to look it up.
If someone wants the full F11 instruction set, I think it's available on
the net. Anyhow, yes, your 11/93 have the F11 instruction set. I also
think that the 11/93 cpu always have the accelerator option.
(Hmmm, I'd like to get my hands on an 11/93 CPU, anyone have an extra? :-)
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> It's faster. There is FP11 microcode in the J11, but it's really slow from
> what I gathered. The separate FP11 could be regarded more as an
> accelerator.
Ahhh, interesting to hear.
I think this will be a nice machine. 11/73 with the FP accelerator, 4MB
RAM, DLV11-J, RQDX3 with RD54 (or later Dilog ESDI MSCP adapter with one
or two 300MB ESDI drives), TK50, DELQA all together in a BA23. So there
are only two things left: Boot (E)RPOM card and time to get 2.11BSD
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I have finally found the time to play with my 11/93 (the bad news is
it is an un-recognizable CPU for the Ultrix-11 install tape, but we'll
cross that bridge later.) Other than the usual compliment of MicroPDP
boards (Ethernet, RQDX3) this one has a board made by a company called
"Data Systems Design". The Model appears to be an 808836-05 Rev.K.
It has a 26pin Berg connector in one corner for which I do not have a
cable. Now the big question. Is there anyone here who knows what this
card is and in particular what the wiring of the Berg connector looks
like?? Why you ask?? Because with this card in the machine thinks it
has an RL01/RL02 controller and an RX02 controller. If this is some
kind of disk controller, I would love to know what disks it hooks up to.
BUt with only a single 26 pin connector, I can't imagine what disks it
would use. If anyone has seen one of these or especially if you have
documentation, I would love to hear about it.
Also, here is another Ultrix-11 update. In order to comply with the
KISS principle, I have opted for a simple RL02 based system to do my
image dumps. Hopefully, in the next day or two I will be sending a
tar file to Warren for the archive that will contain a pair of RL02
images that comprise a simple bootable system for the 11/23 and if
that works, I am going to also try to make a TS11 tape image of the
install tape so that people can opt for whatever configuration suits
their taste. I will send something to the list when I get this far.
bill
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Bill,
The DSD card is likely for a DSD 880 system, which has one 8" floppy
and one (8"?) Winchester drive. The combo emulates an RX02 and a
couple of RL01/RL02 drives. The controller card is basically useless
unless you have the DSD chassis with the floppy, harddrive, and custom
electronics. The DSD 880 is not uncommon, so you might be able to
find one around.
Dave
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
> I have finally found the time to play with my 11/93 (the bad news is
> it is an un-recognizable CPU for the Ultrix-11 install tape, but we'll
> cross that bridge later.) Other than the usual compliment of MicroPDP
> boards (Ethernet, RQDX3) this one has a board made by a company called
> "Data Systems Design". The Model appears to be an 808836-05 Rev.K.
> It has a 26pin Berg connector in one corner for which I do not have a
> cable. Now the big question. Is there anyone here who knows what this
> card is and in particular what the wiring of the Berg connector looks
> like?? Why you ask?? Because with this card in the machine thinks it
> has an RL01/RL02 controller and an RX02 controller. If this is some
> kind of disk controller, I would love to know what disks it hooks up to.
> BUt with only a single 26 pin connector, I can't imagine what disks it
> would use. If anyone has seen one of these or especially if you have
> documentation, I would love to hear about it.
>
> Also, here is another Ultrix-11 update. In order to comply with the
> KISS principle, I have opted for a simple RL02 based system to do my
> image dumps. Hopefully, in the next day or two I will be sending a
> tar file to Warren for the archive that will contain a pair of RL02
> images that comprise a simple bootable system for the 11/23 and if
> that works, I am going to also try to make a TS11 tape image of the
> install tape so that people can opt for whatever configuration suits
> their taste. I will send something to the list when I get this far.
>
> bill
>
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FP11 floating point processor (I think)
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Hi.
I have two PDP11/73 CPUs (M8192). On one module is the 40 pin socket
empty. On the other module is a 40 pin Chip labeld 21-21858 in the
socket. What chip is that?
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On 16 Feb, Martijn van Buul wrote:
[third party disks on RQDX}
> I've done exactly the same thing (but it only was an ST225, AKA RD31) on
> an RQDX3 controller. You need the XXDP 2.5 diagnostic kit for that.
Could this be placed in the archive? It would be nice to have this
public available.
> Having a couple of 5.25" HD diskdrives really helps. Some of these
> drives (the older, the better ;) can be used as RX33 drive
I connected a generic Mitzumi 5.25" FDD to the RQDX3 in my MicroVAX III
and it just worked. Even booting from it was no problem.
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Warren,
Good news so far. I did some work on VTserver 2.0, and added the uODT code
so it
uploads the PDP-11 boot code to the machine and gets it going. That works
fine..
"copy" gets loaded, and I can transfer stuff from and to the machine's RX50
and
RD51 units.
My biggest worry next, of course, is using an emulator to emulate my machine
(which
is a MicroPDP-11/23, by the way) and its disks, and build a working set of
file
systems. Those I can then transfer to the raw disk.
When playing, I noticed that the RD51 is a plain Seagate ST412 MFM drive...
did anyone
try to use other MFM disks with the RQDX series controllers? I can probably
get some
very cheap ST251 40MB drives.. ;)
--fred
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au]
> Sent: dinsdag 13 februari 2001 2:22
> To: Fred N. van Kempen
> Subject: Re: Unix Archive mirror site offer
>
>
> In article by Fred N. van Kempen:
> > Here's a promise... if I can get my MicroVAX 3400 back up
> (on Ultrix 4.4),
> > I'll run the archive on that box... (pups.microwalt.net or
> > tuhs.microwalt.net)
> > so all the old stuff is hosted on old stuff... otherwise
> it's going to be a
> > Sun SPARCstation Classic- also an old box, but not quite as old :)
>
> Excellent. I believe Caldera have bought the rights to UNIX
> from SCO, and
> I"ve heard rumours that they might drop the ``click on the
> license'' thing,
> so if that happens we can make the archive available with no
> passwords.
>
> > Also: I am working with Bill Grunshannon and Steven Schultz
> on getting my
> > own
> > MicroPDP-11/23 back up... we need to include your VTserver
> stuff into the
> > Ultrix-11 source tree, recompile parts, move into binary
> tree, and create a
> > new tape which I can then load. Bill has a working 11/73
> with Ultrix-11 on
> > it,
> > and also has an 11/93 with same.
> >
>
> My new VTserver can load in and write entire disk images now,
> so it should
> be usable to install an Ultrix disk image.
>
> http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver.
>
> I'll be back at work tomorrow or the nxet day.
>
> Cheers,
> Warren
>
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Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
> When playing, I noticed that the RD51 is a plain Seagate ST412 MFM drive...
> did anyone try to use other MFM disks with the RQDX series controllers? I
> can probably get some very cheap ST251 40MB drives.. ;)
I've done exactly the same thing (but it only was an ST225, AKA RD31) on
an RQDX3 controller. You need the XXDP 2.5 diagnostic kit for that. Having
a couple of 5.25" HD diskdrives really helps. Some of these drives (the
older, the better ;) can be used as RX33 drive, which greatly reduces the
problem of creating a XXDP bootdisk with the needed utilities, since you
can write these disks in a (second :) 5.25" drive on a standard PC.
Finding a supply of 1.2 MB 5.25" disks can be a bigger problem - I'm
very happy with my newly found pack of *fresh* disks.
I may still have such a diskimage floating around somewhere (Yup, I seem
to have). The basic idea is to low-level format the MFM drive, and make it
look like a genuine DEC drive. This is a lot easier if the drives you
want to use were also sold as DEC drives (which is the case with the
ST251 - it's also known as the RD32). If not, you'll have to provide
a lot more information about the drive - never really tried that.
This said, I sucessfully low-levelled a 21MB Miniscribe (with the same
CHS-layout as a ST225) using the RD31 parameters.
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----- Forwarded message from Fred N. van Kempen -----
Warren,
False alert... Ultrix-11 V3.1 source tape file is NOT corrupted. My WinZIP
was - I use NT at work, download stuff, and take it home with me, to load onto
the Unix machines. The Unix boxes have no problem with the files...
----- End of forwarded message from Fred N. van Kempen -----
Hi all, I'm back from holidays. With regards to corrupt files in the
UNIX Archive, yes it looks like I have had a few hit. I'll check through
my old backups for a clean version of Ken Wellsch's 6th Edition disk image.
There is a checksums file in the archive: /checksums, with MD5 checksums
for all files. If you do suspect a file is damaged, please check to see
if the MD5 checksum matches that in the /checksums file.
Also, has anybody tried out the VTserver 2.0 alpha program?! I'm going to
be flat out here at work for a month or two, but I will try to add support
for things other than plain copying of disk images.
Cheers,
Warren
Oy.
I kind of solved my problems with ps, just by recompiling the
source.. I think I've got reasons to believe that /bin/ps as distributed
in the installation set on minnie is corrupt; it only dumps core.
As a side note, /var/run/psdatabase is corrupt too; normally this wouldn't
matter (since ps -U recompiles this, and since ps -U is run in /etc/rc),
but since ps dumps core...
Anyway; If I would've known about /var/run/psdatabase, it might have
prevented me from searching a non-existant bug during the last few months :)
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