More info here:
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- Derrik
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On 17-Nov-07, at 4:15 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
> ** Reply to note from Toby Thain <toby(a)smartgames.ca> Sat, 17 Nov
> 2007 12:44:53 -0200
>
>> On 17-Nov-07, at 11:21 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>> ** Reply to note from Toby Thain <toby(a)smartgames.ca> Sat, 17 Nov
>>> 2007 11:08:32 -0200
>>>
>>>> On 2-Nov-07, at 11:59 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>>> ** Reply to note from Brantley Coile <brantley(a)coraid.com> Fri, 2
>>>>> Nov 2007 09:42:47 -0400
>>>>>> Wes,
>>>>>> Is this the book you are thinking of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://research.microsoft.com/users/gbell/Computer_Engineering/
>>>>>> index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably was!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just bought a copy on eBay a couple of weeks ago, and have just
>>>>> read it
>>>>> cover to cover.
>>>>
>>>> There's more than one edition. ...
> I have the earlier "Computer Engineering" and the 2nd edition of
> "Art of
> Digital Design". I have now ordered the 1998 edition of "Computer
> Engineering". I look forward to all of the stuff that was too late
> for the
> first edition.
Bob,
Sorry! I think I was actually talking about a different Bell title. I
checked my past orders and found the following:
Author: Bell, C. Gordon; Newell, Allen
Title: Computer Structures: Readings and Examples
Author: Siewiorek, Daniel; Bell, C. Gordon; Newell, Allen,
Title: Computer Structures: Principles and Examples
Both of these contain many architectural case studies (each book
covers a different set). And both should be findable in this list:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?
an=bell&sts=t&tn=computer+structures
I also have Computer Engineering but it's a different book! Sorry
again about the confusion.
--Toby
>
>
> Bob
** Reply to note from Brantley Coile <brantley(a)coraid.com> Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:42:47 -0400
> Wes,
> Is this the book you are thinking of?
>
> http://research.microsoft.com/users/gbell/Computer_Engineering/index.html
Probably was!
I just bought a copy on eBay a couple of weeks ago, and have just read it
cover to cover. A bit dry at the start, but fascinating...I starting using
PDP11s back in 1972. (an 11/20)
And used what I think was the first v6 UNIX system in England...
Bob
cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Having long ago got rid of my collection of ageing British (super)
minis, I realise I'm missing them, though I'm not sure why. I can't
pretend any more that something running 4.2BSD is really practical,
so I'd like to get something really impractical, like a pdp11.
What I'd like to be able to do is run 7th edition or thereabouts and/
or 2.11BSD on something which is not too large (so full-height 19"
racks are out). I'm not interested in emulators. It looks to me
like there are such systems - for instance the recently-discussed
11/23 (or 11/73) looks practical, other than being in Utah.
So I guess I have two questions:
Firstly is this a practical thing to do in terms of reliability of HW
etc? I finally gave up on the previous lot of machines at least
partly because disks &c were just so flaky that it was too painful to
keep things working (also we're talking full-height 19" racks in some
cases so they were a bit, well, big). I don't want to spend my life
trying to source ancient disks etc (though I'm clearly not expecting
things to be as reliable as good, new modern kit).
Secondly, does anyone in the UK (may be there is no one but me, of
course...) have any hints where I might look and what I might expect
to pay. I've looked on ebay but I'm a little nervous of what I might
get that way.
Thanks
--tim
I know, this is completley off the wall, and odd at best. But are
there any surviving copies of v6, that ran on the 370? I understand
there were several ports, one running on UTS, another on bare metal
before AIX was ported...
Did any of these survive?
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:39:58 -0600
> From: "Brad Midgley" <bmidgley(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [pups] pdp11 in Utah
> To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Message-ID:
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> Hi
>
> I have a pdp11 (about the size of a 6u rackmount) free if anyone is
> interested.
This sounds like a Digital BA-11 of some sort. It could be something
as early as a pdp 11/20, 11/05, 11/34, 11/35, or as late as a 11/24
or 11/44 -- possibly others.
>
> --
> Brad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:44:50 -0400
> From: "Gregg Levine" <gregg.drwho8(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pups] pdp11 in Utah
> To: "Brad Midgley" <bmidgley(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Message-ID:
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> On 10/31/07, Brad Midgley <bmidgley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a pdp11 (about the size of a 6u rackmount) free if anyone
>> is interested.
>>
>> --
>> Brad
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> Hello!
> Brad, I am interested, although the space in my apartment would be the
> big issue. The problem is that I am in an apartment in NYC, Queens to
> be exact. Just how hard would it be to send it to me?
Not easy or cheap. It's bulky, heavy and would usually require 2
persons to move around. I've moved various of my pdp11s around and
it's always been hard work. Stashing a case of beer in the bottom of
an H960 is good incentive for assistants.
> If its both cost
> and space excessive then perhaps others on the list would be
> interested.
>
> Oh and which model is this fellow? I am looking for a PDP-11/53, and
> have been for many years.
e-Bay?
> --
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