Also from that cd image there was enough of 4.1c to make a working system by
untarring it from within 4.2 BSD ...
VAX780 simulator V3.8-1
Listening on port 23 (socket 156)
loading ra(0,0)boot
Boot
: ra(0,0)vmunix
215688+63964+69764 start 0xf98
4.1c BSD UNIX #2: Tue Aug 28 09:39:12 PDT 1984
real mem = 8384512
avail mem = 7036928
using 148 buffers containing 838656 bytes of memory
mcr0 at tr1
mcr1 at tr2
uba0 at tr3
hk0 at uba0 csr 177440 vec 210, ipl 15
rk0 at hk0 slave 0
rk1 at hk0 slave 1
uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 774, ipl 15
ra0 at uda0 slave 0
ra1 at uda0 slave 1
zs0 at uba0 csr 172520 vec 224, ipl 15
ts0 at zs0 slave 0
dz0 at uba0 csr 160100 vec 300, ipl 15
mba0 at tr8
root on ra0
WARNING: should run interleaved swap with >= 2Mb
Automatic reboot in progress...
Tue Aug 28 09:54:53 PDT 1984
/dev/rra0a: 836 files, 6010 used, 1419 free (35 frags, 173 blocks)
/dev/rra0h: 6598 files, 41780 used, 320080 free (160 frags, 79980 blocks)
Tue Aug 28 09:54:58 PDT 1984
local daemons: telnetd ftpd tftpd syslog sendmail.
preserving editor files
clearing /tmp
standard daemons: update cron accounting berknet mail printer.
starting network: rshd rexecd rlogind rwhod routed.
Tue Aug 28 09:55:00 PDT 1984
ucbmonet login: root
Last login: Tue Aug 28 09:44:44 on tty00
4.1c BSD UNIX #2: Tue Aug 28 09:39:12 PDT 1984
Master source now lives here; freeze your 4.1c stuff now.
monet#
For those who are curious....
http://vpsland.superglobalmegacorp.com/install/simh/4.1c%20BSD.7z
When I boot V7 in SIMH (pdp11), I get a root shell and a root filesystem,
but... I see that /usr/bin is on root's default PATH, but I have no
/usr/bin directory. Is there some way I could get a /usr/bin with
additional executables, to get the full flavor of V7?
By way of introduction, I first started with *ix on an AT&T 3Bmumble, and
started really getting into it with SunOS 4.1.1. I've recently become
interested in trying a large number of different *ix's - I guess it was the
ease with which VirtualBox allowed many of those, and then seeing Nordier's
V7 port to x86 got me curious about trying some really old versions - he
mentioned that there was a pdp11 emulator available...
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:35:15 -0700
> From: Larry McVoy <lm(a)bitmover.com>
> To: Dan Stromberg <drsalists(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] /usr/bin on V7?
>
>> By way of introduction, I first started with *ix on an AT&T 3Bmumble, and
>> started really getting into it with SunOS 4.1.1.
>
> SunOS 4.1.1, ah, sweet memories. Â I and a bunch of my friends worked on
> that one. Â Guy Harris, even though he had left for Auspex, would come back
> to building 5 at Sun around 5:30, bang on the door, John Pope or I or one
> of the other kernel guys who worked into the night, would let him in and
> give him a place to work, and for the next few hours you'd hear "Jesus,
> they still haven't fixed this?" and some fix would get pushed in.
>
> That was how much we loved SunOS. Â Solaris? Â Not so much. Â We put in tons
> of effort to make SunOS good and it was a very pleasant version of Unix.
:-)
if you haven't yet, check out tme sometime:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Michael Davidson <m_d(a)pacbell.net> wrote:
> You probably don't have /usr/bin because you haven't mounted /usr yet.
>
That's a good hypothesis, especially given the info I presented, but I do
have -some- things under /usr, and if I manually rerun sh -x /etc/rc in
multiuser, I get an error about /usr already being mounted.
> On V7 as best I can remember. /usr was always a mounted filesystem.
>
> So, somewhere in your V7 image there should be a disk image for /usr that
> can be hooked up to an appropriate device under SIMH and then mounted.
> Actually, it might already be there if your disk image is the entire device
> and not just the root filesystem - if you can figure out what your root
> device is then I would expect /usr to be on the same major device number but
> with aminor device # of 2 (root being 0 and swap being 1).
>
I'm thinking /usr is /dev/rp3, because my /etc/rc looks like:
# cat /etc/rc
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
echo "Restricted rights: Use, duplication, or disclosure
is subject to restrictions stated in your contract with
Western Electric Company, Inc." >/dev/console
rm /etc/mtab
cat /dev/null >/etc/utmp
/etc/mount /dev/rp3 /usr
rm -f /usr/spool/lpd/lock
: /etc/accton /usr/adm/acct
rm -f /usr/tmp/*
rm -f /tmp/*
/etc/update
date >/dev/console
/etc/cron
> Actually if you just take the system multi-user it might even do it for
> you.
This does seem to at least try to mount /usr for me - hitting ctrl-d at the
initial singleuser #, that is.
Interestingly though, it seems that the number of directories in /usr is the
same on first boot into single user, as after /etc/rc has run as part of
entering multiuser, so perhaps my root filesystem has things in /usr that
would normally be obscured by a /usr mount. Also, /etc/mtab seems untouched
(in fact, it's nonexistent) after entering multiuser, and the output of
/etc/mount continues to be nothing.
touch /t does create a file named t in the root directory, so it's not
something about the root filesystem being readonly.
I'm puzzled. And yet, I'm enjoying it. :)
Any suggestions?
> --- On *Wed, 8/3/11, Dan Stromberg <drsalists(a)gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Stromberg <drsalists(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [TUHS] /usr/bin on V7?
> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 7:53 PM
>
>
>
> When I boot V7 in SIMH (pdp11), I get a root shell and a root filesystem,
> but... I see that /usr/bin is on root's default PATH, but I have no
> /usr/bin directory. Is there some way I could get a /usr/bin with
> additional executables, to get the full flavor of V7?
>
> By way of introduction, I first started with *ix on an AT&T 3Bmumble, and
> started really getting into it with SunOS 4.1.1. I've recently become
> interested in trying a large number of different *ix's - I guess it was the
> ease with which VirtualBox allowed many of those, and then seeing Nordier's
> V7 port to x86 got me curious about trying some really old versions - he
> mentioned that there was a pdp11 emulator available...
>
>
>
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What type of licensing agreements (maybe informal) were used for the
early INGRES tape distributions? I am trying to see if they were an
example for BSD or how compared with early BSD.
The BSD-style licenses were not introduced until 1987 and later
(starting in but not completed in 4.3BSD-Tahoe). But various earlier BSD
(distribution) components did have open source licenses long before that
-- such as Eric Allman's trek (circa 1977) in 1BSD and MIT's X
components (1985) shipped with 4.3BSD.
The COPYRIGHT for INGRES 6.3/-1 (February 1, 1981) source shipped with
2.79BSD (Febuary 1981) indicated it was not open source: "... may not be
reproduced or disclosed without the prior written permission of the
owner."
My BSD history book in progress has at least 15+ pages of examples and
commentary and interview quotes about the history of proprietary and
open source licensing in early BSDs. I also plan to research the
history of licensing for W and early X.
Hi Warren.
Here's your answer. :-)
Arnold
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Brian Kernighan <bwk(a)CS.Princeton.EDU>
> To: Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com>
> Subject: Re: can you help warren w/this?
>
> well, he only has one child; that i know for sure. can't vouch for
> the quote, however; i have not heard it before.
>
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Aharon Robbins wrote:
>
> > Hi. Warren runs The Unix Historical Society and is working on a paper.
> > Can you help him with this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:31:09 +1000
> >> From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
> >> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
> >> Subject: [TUHS] ken: # of children?
> >>
> >> All, apologies for these seemingly random questions. How many children does
> >> Ken Thompson have? I want to use the phrase that Unix was "Ken's other child",
> >> but it would be inaccurate if he had several real children.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Warren
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TUHS mailing list
> >> TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
All, apologies for these seemingly random questions. How many children does
Ken Thompson have? I want to use the phrase that Unix was "Ken's other child",
but it would be inaccurate if he had several real children.
Thanks,
Warren
All, thanks for the help with that image of Ken and Dennis at the 11/20
console. Now I'm after a reference/citation to a great quote attributed to
Henry Spencer:
Those who don't understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
Any ideas if/when Henry said this and where: date, first time it appeared
in print etc.
While we are at it, are there any other good Unix quotes that spring to mind?
Thanks,
Warren
I went to Dennis' home page this morning to find something, and it seems
to be gone. The URL I'm using is http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
Does anybody know if it's moved or, if not, who to contact to fix it?
I'm actually after the hi-res version of the photo with dmr and ken
at the PDP-11/20 console. I think I have a copy cached away. If not, does
anybody else have a copy?
Cheers,
Warren
Warren:
I went to Dennis' home page this morning to find something, and it seems
to be gone. The URL I'm using is http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
=======
Looks like there has been substantial reorganization of
the company's web pages, doubtless to reflect reorganization
of the company itself.
I dug around to see where personal web pages seem to be now,
and tried some obvious guesses, and still couldn't find Dennis's
stuff.
I've sent a query to someone on the inside; I'll report back
if I find the answer.
It might be worth trying the Wayback Machine in the mean time.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
