12 Jul
2022
12 Jul
'22
3:24 a.m.
From: Gavin Tersteeg
I spent a lot of time getting UNIX V6 working on my
PDP-11/23 system.
It took a lot of tinkering with the kernel and drivers to make it work
in the way I wanted to
You must have made a lot of changes for it to take "a lot of tinkering".
Bringing V6 up on the /23 has been done several times, and when I did
it, it only took about 2 dozen lines of code in about 2 files. What all
did you wind up changing?
From my research, it seems like there were two
different UNIX variants
that could run on a system like this. These variants were LSX and
MINI-UNIX. MINI-UNIX seems to require a decent mass-storage device like
a RK05 and some porting to work on an 11/03, while LSX is designed to
work on exactly the hardware specs that I have on hand.
Bringing up MINI-UNIX on the /03 has been done at least twice; once
historically (now lost, AFAIK), and again recently:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/Mini/Mini.html
I'm not sure what you're basing the "MINI-UNIX seems to require a decent
mass-storage device like a RK05" on - it should run as well on whatever
you're running LSX on as LSX does.
I haven't run LSX myself, but from what I've seen, the only significant
difference between the two is that LSX will run with less main memory than
MINI-UNIX (which really kind of needs 56KB; LSX you can probably get away
with 40KB).That was a significant issue when the LSI-11 was originally
released, but these days one has to really work to have a QBUS PDP-11 with
less than 56KB.
my EIS-less 11/03
EIS chips can be found on eBait for not much money (I just bought a couple
myself), and it's worth investing in one, so on can dispense with the
emulator, which takes real memory for which a better use can be found.
The first issue is that the C compiler will randomly
spit out a "0:
Missing temp file" when attempting to compile something. This is
annoying, but circumventable by just running the same command over and
over until it works.
Schaeffer's Law (from Larry Niven): anything you don't understand
might be dangerous. I'd track down why this is happening.
Noel
12 Jul
12 Jul
3:37 a.m.
New subject: LSX issues and musing
A lot of it was me just learning how V6 works in general. Getting V6 to
boot on a simulated 11/23 was pretty easy (I had some issues getting it to
compile at first, but it worked after I got that sorted out). Adding the
RL02 and RX02 drivers was a tiny bit more difficult. I would say that the
most difficult part was writing a RX02 boot program, trying to fit that
into 512 bytes with interleave code took a few days.
You were right about the source of the issue. I incorrectly assumed that
the EIS flag was only set in header.lsx.s, but it is also set in param.h.
The default param.h has the EIS symbol define commented out, while
header.lsx.s has it uncommented. By uncommenting the define in param.h and
recompiling decfd.c, it allows the kernel to be successfully linked. The
current kernel that builds is too big to be used with a 16K kernel size,
but I think I just need to recompile everything with the new param.h, and
maybe adjust a few other parameters.
I will look into getting an EIS chip. I'm probably going to move up to the
20K kernel size regardless, as I need the extra memory for changes that I
want to make to the kernel. I am betting that the "0: Missing temp file"
thing is due to some sort of file I/O issue, so I'll read into the compiler
source to see what is generating it.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 4:24 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
From: Gavin
Tersteeg
I spent a lot of time getting UNIX V6 working on
my PDP-11/23 system.
It took a lot of tinkering with the kernel and drivers to make it
work
in the way I wanted to
You must have made a lot of changes for it to take "a lot of tinkering".
Bringing V6 up on the /23 has been done several times, and when I did
it, it only took about 2 dozen lines of code in about 2 files. What all
did you wind up changing?
From my research, it seems like there were two
different UNIX
variants
that could run on a system like this. These
variants were LSX and
MINI-UNIX. MINI-UNIX seems to require a decent mass-storage device
like
a RK05 and some porting to work on an 11/03,
while LSX is designed to
work on exactly the hardware specs that I have on hand.
Bringing up MINI-UNIX on the /03 has been done at least twice; once
historically (now lost, AFAIK), and again recently:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/Mini/Mini.html
I'm not sure what you're basing the "MINI-UNIX seems to require a decent
mass-storage device like a RK05" on - it should run as well on whatever
you're running LSX on as LSX does.
I haven't run LSX myself, but from what I've seen, the only significant
difference between the two is that LSX will run with less main memory than
MINI-UNIX (which really kind of needs 56KB; LSX you can probably get away
with 40KB).That was a significant issue when the LSI-11 was originally
released, but these days one has to really work to have a QBUS PDP-11 with
less than 56KB.
my EIS-less 11/03
EIS chips can be found on eBait for not much money (I just bought a couple
myself), and it's worth investing in one, so on can dispense with the
emulator, which takes real memory for which a better use can be found.
The first issue is that the C compiler will
randomly spit out a "0:
Missing temp file" when attempting to compile something. This is
annoying, but circumventable by just running the same command over
and
over until it works.
Schaeffer's Law (from Larry Niven): anything you don't understand
might be dangerous. I'd track down why this is happening.
Noel
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