Very few. They had nt sources. Because of the Unisys law suite against
Msft and DEC. Fwiw Dave had defined a hard link link in the file system
on disk format but Win32 lacked away to create them. So they had to add
that nt call to support it. They also fixed a few bugs but that purely
the POSIX layer drive the uk differently and until they pushed it, they had
been exposed
Dave has started to write the posix.exe sub system but not completed it so
they did that of course. But over all nt itself was pretty much as Dave
had designed it
Remember nt (aka mica) was not designed for windows. Dave never cared what
the user interface was. He had fought that war at DEC and mica was his
answer as Paul mentioned
Eventually Msft bought softway and created the SFU product. When Linux
took off they cancelled it and. It the deal with canonical who helped them
with WSL.
Btw Steve Walli gave a great USENIX talk on the whole softway/interix
experience at some point. He had some choice comments which decorum will
not allow me to repeat here.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:32 PM Richard Salz <rich.salz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The VMS process model is different from Unix; like
TOPS-20, it was more a
shared address space. I don't remember details, but I do recall that a
"logout" call in a DCL script logged you out of the system.
Did Softway Systems make kernel changes? I know MSFT's original Posix plan
was to do it all in user-space. WSL is a Ubuntu port, so if Softway had
kernel changes, I could see how that made things simpler.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:05 PM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Last week there was a bit of discussion about the
different shells
that would eventually lead to srb writing the shell that took his name
and the command syntax and semantics that most modern shells use
today. Some of you may remember, VMS had a command interpreter
called DCL (Digital Command language), part of an attempt to make
command syntax uniform across DEC's different operating systems
(TOPS-20 also used DCL). As DEC started to recognize the value of the
Unix marketplace, a project was born in DEC's Commercial Languages and
Tools group to bring the Unix Bourne shell to VMS and to sell it as a
product they called DEC Shell.
I had been part of that effort and one of the issues we had to solve
is providing formal UNIX pipe semantics. They of course needed to
somehow implement UNIX style process pipelines. VMS from the
beginning has had an interprocess communications pseudo-device called
the mailbox that can be written to and read from via the usual I/O
mechanism (the QIO system service). A large problem with them is that
it is not possible to detect the "broken pipe" condition with a
mailbox and that feature deficiency made them unsuitable for use with
DEC Shell. So the team had me write a new device driver, based
closely on the mailbox driver, but that could detect broken pipes
lines UNIX-style.
Shortly after I finished the VMS pipe driver, the team at DECwest had
started work on the MICA project, which was Dave Culter's proposed OS
unification. Dave's team had developed a machine architecture called
PRISM (Proposed RISC Machine) to be the VAX follow-on. For forward
compatibility purposes, PRISM would have to support both Ultrix and
VMS. Dave and team had already written a microkernel-based,
lightweight OS for VAX called VAXeln that was intended for real-time
applications. His new idea was to have a MACH-like microkernel OS
which he called MICA and then to put three user mode personality
modules on top of that:
P.VMS, implementing the VMS system services and ABI
P.Ultrix, implementing the Unix system calls and ABI
P.TBD, a new OS API and ABI intended to supersede VMS
So I wrote the attached "why pipes" memo to explain to Cutler's team
why it was important to implement pipes natively in P.TBD if they
wanted that OS to be a viable follow-on to VMS and Ultrix.
In the end, Dick Sites's 64-bit RISC machine architecture proposal,
which was called Alpha, won out over PRISM. Cutler and a bunch of his
DECwest engineering team went off to Microsoft. Dave's idea of a
microkernel-based OS with multiple personalities of course saw the
light of day originally as NT OS/2, but because of the idea of
multiple personalities, when Microsoft and IBM divorced Dave was able
to quickly pivot to the now infamous Win32 personality, as what would
be called Windows NT. It was also easy for Softway Systems to later
complete the NT POSIX layer for their Interix product, which now a few
generations later is called WSL by Microsoft.
-Paul W.
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