Rick Copeland &lt;rickgc(a)calweb.com&gt; writes: Warren, I think this one should go into minnie's anonymous FTP area, since it does not require a UNIX license and was specifically designed to be publicly distributable. I didn't do any repacking on it in my home directory, since it's just one big tarball. I've done a tar tvf on the tarball, though, and the listing produced is in /usr/home/msokolov/NET2.lst on minnie. Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05240 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:16:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05234 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:16:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03246; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:17:39 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199811232217.JAA03246(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: 4.3/4.4 IBM distributions (need history) To: rdkeys(a)seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:17:39 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: &lt;199811231709.MAA09886(a)seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu&gt; from "User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" at "Nov 23, 98 12:09:28 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys: I tell you what, Bob. I'll mirror whatever you've got :-) But you'll have to organise it and write the READMEs! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05265 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:18:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05260 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:17:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03263 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:19:30 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199811232219.JAA03263(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: 4BSD bloat Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:19:29 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: &lt;199811231747.MAA16896(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt; from Michael Sokolov at "Nov 23, 98 12:47:58 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Michael Sokolov: I can hear Steven Schultz say that the address space limitations of a 16-bit architecture help to minimise software bloat :-) Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05725 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:44:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05720 for &lt;pups(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:44:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rickgc(a)calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01899; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo rgc from rickgc(a)calweb.com server @12.22.0.83 ip 12.22.0.83 Message-Id: &lt;3.0.32.19981123155338.00935c40(a)pop.calweb.com&gt; X-Sender: rickgc(a)pop.calweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:53:48 -0800 To: pups(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU From: Rick Copeland &lt;rickgc(a)calweb.com&gt; Subject: Upload BSD4.3 Rev. 2, Foreign Master Cc: wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Dear PUPS list, I have up loaded to Minnie the "BSD4.3 Revision 2 for VAX, Foreign Master" passed to me by Mr. Kirk McKusick. This tape image is zipped with WinZip 6.22 and includes a readme file. Sincerely, Rick Copeland Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06184 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:03:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06179 for &lt;pups(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:02:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03819; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:04:26 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199811240104.MAA03819(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: Upload BSD4.3 Rev. 2, Foreign Master To: rickgc(a)calweb.com (Rick Copeland) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:04:26 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU In-Reply-To: &lt;3.0.32.19981123155338.00935c40(a)pop.calweb.com&gt; from Rick Copeland at "Nov 23, 98 03:53:48 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Rick Copeland: It's now available in Distributions/4bsd/43rev2 in the PUPS Archive. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06315 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:21:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06309 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:21:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from simul8(a)simul8.demon.co.uk) Received: from [212.228.120.103] (helo=SONAR) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zi7AG-0001Y2-00 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:21:12 +0000 Received: by SONAR with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1748.F7E9EE60@SONAR>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:22:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE1748.F7E9EE60@SONAR> From: James Lothian &lt;simul8(a)simul8.demon.co.uk&gt; To: &quot;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&quot; &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: RE: 4.3-VAX distributions Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:15:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd throw my oar in: my 11/750 is currently running a version of 4.3 taken off a set of tapes I saved from being thrown out by a Uni department I used to work for. The labels on the tapes say: Ultrix 4.3+NFS Wisconsin UNIX 1/15/87 And another label says: * The contents of this tape are distributed to UNIX/32V, System 3 or System 5, and SUN 3.0 NFS licencees only, subject to your software agreement with AT&T (Western Electric), your license agreement with the Regents of the University of California, and your license agreement with SUN Microsystems. * The University of Wisconsin - Madison Computer System Laboratory assumes no responsibility for unauthorized use of these contents by non-licensed entities. RCS strings seem to indicate that the code was maintained by someone called Tad Lebeck. As far as I can tell, it's mainly a fairly stock early 4.3 with no disk-labels, with all the sun rpc/yp/nfs stuff grafted on and a whole lot of bugs that I've had no end of fun fixing. Does anybody know anything about the history of this version? In particular, does it bear any real relation to Ultrix, or is the tape just mis-labelled? If anybody else out there is running this thing and wonders why ptrace(2) causes such mayhem, or why portmap crashes when they try to run YP, I'd be happy to supply patches.... James Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06440 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:49:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06435 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:48:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from eekg(a)ix.netcom.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA20720 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt;; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:48:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from roc-ny1-13.ix.netcom.com(199.183.209.45) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020559; Mon Nov 23 19:47:10 1998 Message-ID: &lt;002e01be174b$8a9ec6c0$2dd1b7c7(a)#eekg.ix.netcom.com&gt; From: "Eric Edwards" &lt;eekg(a)ix.netcom.com&gt; To: &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt; Subject: Re: What *was* the Tahoe? Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk The Power 6/32 Tahoe was a product of Computer Consoles Inc. (CCI). The internal codename was "Tahoe", as all the CCI processors were named after lakes in the US (others I can remember were Erie and Huron). It was originally intended to compete with the VAX-11/780 - depending on the benchmark it was 5 to 10 times faster than the VAX and much smaller and cheaper. The base processor consisted of 5 boards - implemented with AMD 2900 series bit slice processors, PLAs and 74F series parts. Surprisingly the bit-slice processors were used in the MMU - the actual ALU was 74F181s. It was a big endian machine that was sort of a cross between a VAX and a Motorola 68K. As mentioned elsewhere, it is rumored that if you swap the nibbles in the instruction bytes they end up the same as the VAX... I think it also had some odd features: the cache was on the processor side of the mmu -- so it was indexed by virtual address and instructions were cached in microcode form. As guessed from the lack of boot blocks, there was another board in the system -- the Console Processor (CP). It was a 68000 based Versabus single board computer. The boot monitor understood BSD filesystems on both tape and disk. It basically loaded the microcode into the CPU, loaded the boot image (/boot?) into memory, and then started the main CPU. CCI ported 4.2BSD to run on the Tahoe and the changes were rolled into the 4.3-Tahoe version. They also ran System V (including a dual processor version) and CCI's own fault-tolerant Unix - Perpos. I think the last of the Berkeley Tahoe machines ended up at Rochester Institute of Technology's Computer Science House (http://www.csh.rit.edu) Some guys up there were attempting to do some work with 4.4BSD and the Tahoe. I can probably dig up more information if anyone needs it... -----Original Message----- From: SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com &lt;SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; To: PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt; Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 6:47 PM Subject: What *was* the Tahoe? Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06491 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:04:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu (root(a)cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.216]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06486 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:04:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu) Received: from k2.cwru.edu (k2.SCL.CWRU.Edu [129.22.32.50]) by cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-3.4) id VAA13725; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:04:27 -0500 (EST) (from mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;) Received: from skybridge.scl.cwru.edu by k2.cwru.edu (8.6.12/SMI-SVR4) id VAA27293; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:08:09 -0500 Received: by skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA17227; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:17:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:17:16 -0500 From: mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: &lt;199811240217.VAA17227(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: BSD Network Version 2 upload Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk J. Joseph Max Katz &lt;jkatz(a)cpio.net&gt; writes: No. It contains only the sources, and if you try to build it, you'll get stuck immediately because about half of the source files were simply deleted. Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06512 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:05:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f