Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; wrote: Presently there are no EPROM images on minnie. However, I'm far from the idea of denying my users the firmware upgrades they need just because of some stupid copyrights held by a company that doesn't even exist any more, so if you have an actual need for one of the EPROM images I have, I can E-mail it to you compressed and uuencoded. Michael Sokolov TUHS 4BSD Coordinator 4.3BSD-* Maintainer Quasijarus Project Principal Architect & Developer Phone: 440-449-0299 or 216-217-2579 ARPA Internet SMTP mail: mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu TUHS WWW page: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/ Quasijarus WWW page: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19626 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:36:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19621 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:35:59 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA13940 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:35:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199901270035.QAA13940(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - Yeah, it could. So enough said and (hopefully) it stops now. MSCP BBR is _hard_ and not documented well (or not documented at all). Come to think of it MSCP in general is difficult and not documented very well (Chris Torek's comments in the 'ra.c' driver are fun to read;)). Best solution I've found is to use a SCSI<->MSCP adaptor and let the adaptor do the BBR <g> Steven Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19853 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:38:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (trailing-edge.wdn.com [198.232.144.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19848 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:38:25 +1100 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:38:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:38:19 -0500 From: Tim Shoppa &lt;SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: &lt;990126203819.2020009f(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk If you look at the commented sources for the DEC OS's, you'll see that it took them several minor version releases in order to get bad block replacement working passably. And there still remain situations that aren't handled well even in the best implementations. Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA19979 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:11:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from krdl.org.sg (rodin.krdl.org.sg [137.132.252.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19973 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:11:08 +1100 (EST) Received: from mailhost.krdl.org.sg (mailbox.krdl.org.sg [137.132.247.30]) by krdl.org.sg (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06573; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:16:51 +0800 (SGT) Received: from negara.nus.sg (negara [137.132.248.175]) by mailhost.krdl.org.sg (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA23639; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:10:57 +0800 (SGT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by negara.nus.sg (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA00603; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:12:31 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: &lt;19990127031231.H496(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:12:31 +0800 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; To: Michael Sokolov &lt;mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu&gt;, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.4BSD References: &lt;199901261944.OAA03412(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: &lt;199901261944.OAA03412(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt;; from Michael Sokolov on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:44:12PM -0500 Organization: Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Project: SingAREN, the Singapore Advanced Research and Education Network Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 Intel Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:44:12PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: Great. I'm glad we have you around to follow this mission. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 8742582 Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Rm 3-65, C041 Fax: +65 7744990 21 Heng Mui Keng Terrace Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore 119613 Plan: Troubleshooting ATM Republic of Singapore Networks and Applications Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20001 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:15:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from krdl.org.sg (rodin.krdl.org.sg [137.132.252.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19994 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:15:24 +1100 (EST) Received: from mailhost.krdl.org.sg (mailbox.krdl.org.sg [137.132.247.30]) by krdl.org.sg (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06726; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from negara.nus.sg (negara [137.132.248.175]) by mailhost.krdl.org.sg (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA24145; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:15:18 +0800 (SGT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by negara.nus.sg (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA00610; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:16:53 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: &lt;19990127031653.I496(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:16:53 +0800 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; To: Michael Sokolov &lt;mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu&gt;, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.4BSD References: &lt;199901261944.OAA03415(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: &lt;199901261944.OAA03415(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt;; from Michael Sokolov on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:44:34PM -0500 Organization: Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Project: SingAREN, the Singapore Advanced Research and Education Network Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 Intel Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:44:34PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: As I tried to explain earlier, nobody is actually doing that, not even attempting. BSDI lives in the commercial world and they have been protecting their work against other *commercial* use. On the *research* side, those same BSDI team members (again citing Mike Karels, Kirk McKusick and possibly others) keep *actively* supporting *BSD. There is no clash as such. People are *very* reasonable, especially when it comes to open technology, they have been in that business for long and appreciate it's value and impact. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 8742582 Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Rm 3-65, C041 Fax: +65 7744990 21 Heng Mui Keng Terrace Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore 119613 Plan: Troubleshooting ATM Republic of Singapore Networks and Applications Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20076 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:37:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from krdl.org.sg (rodin.krdl.org.sg [137.132.252.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20066 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:36:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from mailhost.krdl.org.sg (mailbox.krdl.org.sg [137.132.247.30]) by krdl.org.sg (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07433; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:42:41 +0800 (SGT) Received: from negara.nus.sg (negara [137.132.248.175]) by mailhost.krdl.org.sg (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA26506; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:36:47 +0800 (SGT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by negara.nus.sg (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA00622; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:38:21 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: &lt;19990127033821.K496(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:38:21 +0800 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; To: Michael Sokolov &lt;mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu&gt;, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: KA650-B V1.2 CPU EPROM image References: &lt;199901270041.TAA03508(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: &lt;199901270041.TAA03508(a)skybridge.scl.cwru.edu&gt;; from Michael Sokolov on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 07:41:17PM -0500 Organization: Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Project: SingAREN, the Singapore Advanced Research and Education Network Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 Intel Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 07:41:17PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: With a different tone and manner people at Compaq/DEC might actually be quite willing to support archival of their work (which is protected by law) for the purpose of tracking history. It never hurts to show curtesy and ask politely. If I were you, especially as the maintainer of CSRG work, I'd certainly give it a try ... Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: &lt;joerg(a)krdl.org.sg&gt; SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 8742582 Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Rm 3-65, C041 Fax: +65 7744990 21 Heng Mui Keng Terrace Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore 119613 Plan: Troubleshooting ATM Republic of Singapore Networks and Applications Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20167 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:49:24 +1100 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20162 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:49:17 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA01515 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:51:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199901270251.NAA01515(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: PUPS Mail list: rules of behaviour To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:51:07 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk All, I hate to do this, however I think we could do with just a few rules of behaviour for the PUPS mail list. Here we go... 1) The mailing list is for discussion on various topic areas related to UNIX history, its development, care and feeding of all UNIX systems and their hardware, and announcements of useful information related to the above. It is generally inclusive, rather than exclusive. However.... 2) There should be little or no discussion of major systems' development, including announcements of new versions. Instead, systems developers should create a communications channel to target their own audience. For example, 2.11BSD has the newsgroup comp.bugs.2bsd. To that end, I have just created a mailing list for Quasijarus, quasijarus(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, and associated Majordomo structures. Quasijarus users should join this list so that developments and announcements about this system can reach them. In other words, interested parties are expected to monitor these mailing lists or newsgroups, in order to follow development and announcements. 3) Discussion is to be civil and not religious, where possible. There have been a large number of UNIX systems and flavours. There is no single `best' system. 4) Offensive postings: if a person's mail postings offends someone, then they should email me, the list maintainer. If I get a number of complaints, I will ask the original author to not be so offensive. If I need to warn a person twice, then I will begin to censor their list postings. I will repost this message if/when it becomes necessary. I am still collection suggestions with regards to the charter of the list and if we need to make separate lists etc. The rules above, though, apply to the list as it is now. Thanks all, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA20302 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:30:14 +1100 (EST)