After about a week of work (mainly due to a dying RA81 ... see below), I have successfully installed 2.11BSD on my 11/83. First and foremost, thanks to a) Steven M. Shultz for so carefully maintaining and updating (!) CSRG's PDP-11 code to work with hardware such as my MSCP drives and TMSCP TK50 and b) everyone involved in prodding SCO to release free Ancient UNIX source licenses. After dealing with a crippled binary-only Micro/RSX lack-of-a-kit, and as a FreeBSD user of five-odd years, I decided to bite the bullet and see what UNIX was/is like on a PDP. Thanks to the work of Steven and a cast of thousands, it's pretty damned impressive. The only problems I've been having seem to be coming from disk controllers without media. More specifically, I get a hard error, followed by an endless loop of error indications if I try to access one of my RX50s (on an RQDX3 controller), and the only recourse is a reset. Okay, so the solution here is simple: don't do it. The bigger problem comes with my flake-job of an RA81, which, FWIW, is the only fixed disk storage I have. It has a strange habit: the "A" light goes off and the controller can no longer access it. If I soft-restart the PDP (under either RSX or UNIX), the driver connects back to the drive without a glitch. And this gives me the same loop-of-errors syndrome as an empty RX50. Anyone have any pointers or sage advice? I figured I may try to modify the MSCP driver to re-init the controller on a hard error, and try again. But the MSCP code is fairly complicated, and I know nothing of the protocol. Anyone have any MSCP documentation which I could beg, borrow, or steal? I'd give the specific error codes, but I haven't written any down yet and I'm at work. Also, I am willing to provide a Good Home for any 19" rackmount MSCP drives in the midwest. Let me rephrase that: any one or two; I have a one bedroom apartment, and I'm saving a bit of floorspace for a (yet to materialize) VAX. Also Qbus thinnet or SCSI would be nice, whilst on cloud 780... TIA, jasomill Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA39885 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:30:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from guildenstern.shaffstall.com (cisdn-2.on-net.net [206.229.84.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA39881 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:30:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jasomill(a)shaffstall.com) Received: from localhost (jasomill@localhost) by guildenstern.shaffstall.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21354 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:28:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: guildenstern.shaffstall.com: jasomill owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason T. Miller" <jasomill(a)shaffstall.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: to change without notice Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005251726530.20729-100000(a)guildenstern.shaffstall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk After reading the _entire_ archive of PUPS messages, and realizing that, no, I'm not crazy and, no, I'm not the only one still interested in old hardware and software, I dug up two old 16-bit UNIX distributions and promptly archived 'em. Unfortunately, they're binary only and System-V based, so I can't just throw 'em in the archive. But when the game is up on the System-V codebase, I hope these CD-Rs are still around. They are: - SCO XENIX 286 2.2, complete OS with development system and text processing ([tn]roff, etc) - Microport System V/AT Development System (runtimes say both 1.3 and 2.3, development stuff says 1.3 - don't know, never booted this one) All the floppies read without errors, and I've actually booted and run the XENIX (used it for a tape conversion job a couple years ago) - works as long as you have a 5.25" floppy drive and reasonably old hardware - I ran it on a 386 but it doesn't grok VGA. Also, I have the ability to write TK50 tapes along with a wide range of other formats (my employer makes tape conversion equipment and software); no TK25 (unless the old IBM Tandberg VarBlock format is identical - don't know) or TK70, but just about anything else (need PDP UNIX on an HP 9144A cartridge tape; a) why? and b) I can help*!). I'd be happy to cut PDP UNIX tapes for media and shipping. Finally, anyone ever used the mtools package to read MS-DOS disks from an RX50 from a DEC Rainbow? I'm working on it (no Rainbow, but I've got a box that writes Rainbow disks) and I'd be glad to help anyone interested; I'm also working on R/W RX50 on FreeBSD. Jason T. Miller jasomill(a)shaffstall.com * but not much, unless someone is willing to replace the rubber roller thingy on my HP drive, but, as usual, I digress. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA39928 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:34:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA39924 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:34:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id IAA07703; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:33:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <200005252233.IAA07703(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Dead MicroVAX II :( In-Reply-To: <392CE14B.597E81B8(a)willapabay.org> from "Mike W." at "May 25, 2000 1:16:11 am" To: tscowboy(a)willapabay.org (Mike W.) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:33:51 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Mike W.: I'll cc this to the Pups mailing list. You should subscribe so that you can get any answers! Details at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS/maillist.html Ciao, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA40418 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:13:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA40414 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:13:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA08415 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:12:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <200005260012.KAA08415(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Who uploaded these to the PUPS ARchive? To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:12:40 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm just doing some house cleaning on the PUPS Archive. I've forgotten who uploaded these into the incoming directory? -rw-r----- 1 wkt pupsarc 53634 Feb 24 1999 29pro_inclsys.tar.gz -rw-r----- 1 wkt pupsarc 777081 Feb 24 1999 29pro_sys.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 pups pupsarc 5332873 Jan 17 01:48 old-ultrix-32.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 pups pupsarc 371111664 Mar 20 06:00 old-ultrix.tar.gz As well, can you supply a README saying what is in these files, too :-) My memory isn't what it used to me. Thanks! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA41586 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:35:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA41582 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:35:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id OAA09658 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:34:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <200005260434.OAA09658(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: More PUPS Donations & Volunteers To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:34:18 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi all, Since the free SCO license, we've had an enormous demand on our PUPS volunteers. If there is anybody in Japan who can burn CDs, could you contact me if you are prepared to burn a few copies of the PUPS CD. I've made a start on tidying up the archive & moving recently donated things to appropriate directories. Are there other systems out there which could be donated to the archive? I've just have a Z8000 SystemIII system being donated. I'm happy to take donations, but they may not be moved into the main archive because I don't want to have my butt sued off. Ages ago, George Colouris at QMC in the UK had a 9-track tape containing QED, the visual Unix editor which influenced the development of vi. Can anybody in the UK read 9-tracks. If so, I'll put you in contact with George. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA41696 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:51:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root(a)nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA41692 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:51:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (nobody(a)relay.nuxi.com [169.237.7.38]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06137; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien(a)dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA42078; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:44:17 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien(a)NUXI.com> To: "Mike W." <tscowboy(a)willapabay.org> Cc: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Dead MicroVAX II :( Message-ID: <20000525214417.A58091(a)dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien(a)NUXI.com References: <392CE14B.597E81B8(a)willapabay.org> <200005252233.IAA07703(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200005252233.IAA07703(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au on Fri, May 26, 2000 at 08:33:51AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 08:33:51AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: The port-vax(a)netbsd.org list is full of very VAX clueful people. -- -- David (obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA42383 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:00:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from junk.nocrew.org (mail(a)[212.73.17.42]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA42379 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:00:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from lars(a)junk.nocrew.org) Received: from lars by junk.nocrew.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 12vDA4-00039I-00; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:59:56 +0200 To: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PDP-11 MMU docs? References: <Pine.VUL.3.93.1000525173018.7767F-100000(a)Zeke.Update.UU.SE> From: lars brinkhoff <lars(a)nocrew.org> Date: 26 May 2000 07:59:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Johnny Billquist's message of "Thu, 25 May 2000 17:30:37 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: <85em6pvokj.fsf(a)junk.nocrew.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> writes: Everything necessary to emulate one in software. I have Supnik's simulator, but it would be easier if I had proper docs. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA42466 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:20:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA42459 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:20:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29942 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Thu, 25 May 2000 23:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <200005260618.XAA29942(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PDP-11 MMU docs? Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - Do you also have Harti Brandt's P11 ("Begemot") emulator? That is a _work of art_! Has an emulated DEQNA so you can place the "PDP-11" on a LAN, the timeskew problem has been fixed (the emulated pdp-11 keeps good time), and it also has a TOY clock now. Check out http://www.begemot.org Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA43074 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 18:55:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au)