14 Jan
2015
14 Jan
'15
2:12 a.m.
Hi all, I came across this last week:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/
It's a Subversion VCS of all the CSRG releases. I'm not sure if it
has been mentioned here before.
Cheers, Warren
14 Jan
14 Jan
2:42 a.m.
Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:12:03PM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
Hi all, I came across this last week:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/
It's a Subversion VCS of all the CSRG releases. I'm not sure if it
has been mentioned here before.
Cheers, Warren
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2:55 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history
online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
The folks at UC
Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :)
Cheers, Warren
3:24 a.m.
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy
wrote:
Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
distributed, that's particularly strange. My thought was that, with
the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more.
Greg
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Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history
online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
The folks at UC
Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :)
3:37 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:24:27PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100,
Warren Toomey wrote:
GNU has an SCCS clone. A so-so one but James and his crew fixes bugs.
And I suspect that BitSCCS is out there on the intertubes somewhere.
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry
McVoy wrote:
Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
distributed, that's particularly strange. My thought was that, with
the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more. Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history
online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
The folks at UC
Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :) 
5:41 a.m.
Larry McVoy scripsit:
GNU has an SCCS clone. A so-so one but James and his
crew fixes bugs.
OpenIndiana has a derivative of the SVR4 version, and so does the
Heirloom Toolkit.
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12:24 p.m.
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
|On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:24:27PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
|> On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 12:55:57 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
|>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
|>>> Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history online? I know Kirk
made
|>>> them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
|>>
|>> In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
|>> The folks at UC
|>> Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
|>> files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
|>>
|>> which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
|>> the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that
basis,
|>> is publicly available. Go figure :)
|>
|> Considering that all the SCCS files are on the CDs that Kirk
|> distributed, that's particularly strange. My thought was that, with
|> the exception of Larry, nobody has the SCCS software any more.
|
|GNU has an SCCS clone. A so-so one but James and his crew fixes bugs.
|And I suspect that BitSCCS is out there on the intertubes somewhere.
Jörg Schilling also has a(n extended) SCCS, now located at [1].
[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/
I have cloned the (FreeBSD based) git(1) repo mentioned elsewhere
in this thread, but it is no good -- a better version with much
(, much) better meta data is at [2], but it is much larger, of
course.
[2] https://github.com/jonathangray/csrg
--steffen
12:45 p.m.
On 14/01/2015 03:55, Warren Toomey wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry McVoy
wrote:
Here's another data point: when I asked Kirk regarding the public
availability of the SCCS repo he pointed me to
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg/.
At https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo you can find a single
1GB repository that integrates many of the snapshots and version control
repositories available through TUHS and other sources (including the
CSRG data). Its commit history starts on Jun 20th 1972 with the First
Research Edition and ends with FreeBSD 10 in 2015. Git blame works
across all the history's commits.
Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history
online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
The folks at UC
Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the SCCS
files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :) 
6:38 p.m.
Not to over-state the importance of this particular version control system,
but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Diomidis Spinellis <dds(a)aueb.gr> wrote:
On 14/01/2015 03:55, Warren Toomey wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:42:56PM -0800, Larry
McVoy wrote:
Here's another data point: when I asked Kirk regarding the public
availability of the SCCS repo he pointed me to http://svnweb.freebsd.org/
csrg/.
At https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo you can find a single
1GB repository that integrates many of the snapshots and version control
repositories available through TUHS and other sources (including the CSRG
data). Its commit history starts on Jun 20th 1972 with the First Research
Edition and ends with FreeBSD 10 in 2015. Git blame works across all the
history's commits.
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Aren't the SCCS sources for the real history
online? I know Kirk made
them available on his CD, I have them somewhere.
In a previous private e-mail I received from Kirk, he said:
The folks at UC
Berkeley have always required me to track distributions of the
SCCS
files as they somehow think of them as still sensitive.
which implies that the SCCS files cannot be released publicly. However,
the SVN version is a "derivative" of the SCCS files and, on that basis,
is publicly available. Go figure :)
6:52 p.m.
Jacob Ritorto scripsit:
Not to over-state the importance of this particular
version control
system, but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.
When Github collapses because it can't make money, and there's nowhere
to move all 20 million repositories, *that* will be game-changing.
~~ grumble ~~
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7:34 p.m.
haha, totally +1, but it's soooo easy to broadcast code, garner
contribution and collaborate this way that it's almost worth the risk.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, <cowan(a)ccil.org> wrote:
Jacob Ritorto scripsit:
Not to over-state the importance of this
particular version control
system, but having this code on github is game-changing; thanks, guys.
When Github collapses because it can't make money, and there's nowhere
to move all 20 million repositories, *that* will be game-changing.
~~ grumble ~~
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