On Mar 8, 11:35, Tim Shoppa wrote: That would cerainly put it well into the v7 era 9by thre years). But there were several differences, as I'm sure Tim knows, and some people didn't change. I'd guess this one has back-ported some v7 stuff onto what was otherwise a 'legacy' system. I think the RL02 drivers were written in Boston for v7 (or am I thinking of the RX02 driver?). Maybe v7.h has something to do with allowing this driver to be used? I don't know, but if anyone else does, please tell! My 11/23 system has a kernel panic if I try to run it on an 11/73 (by swapping out the CPU board). Interesting... ADVENT is missing from my v7. Any chance of a copy? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09225 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:15 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09220 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:08 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA13243; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803091737.AA13243(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <9803091245.ZM21377(a)indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> from "Pete Turnbull" at Mar 9, 98 12:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Well, this is what V7.h says: #DEFINE V7CODE 7 /* IF COMPILING V7 COMPATIBLE CODE */ #DEFINE V7 (U.U_SYSTEM == V7CODE) and this is what a config file looks like: # CAT CONFIG.MLAB # CONFIGURATION FOR EXTENDED CARE PATHOLOGY SYSTEM WITH RL CONSOLE SYS MEM RL RX2 ROOT RL 0 SWAP RL 0 19000 1480 CPU 23 FPU DL 5 LTC It also looks like there's support in the sources for 11/34's and 11/45's, in addition to the 11/23: # CD CONF # LS ADEVS C.C DATA.S L-MLAB.S MAKE-MLAB BDEVS C.TM F23.O L.S MAKEFILE CDEVS C23.C F23.S L23.S MKCONF.C MAKEFILE CONFIG F45.S M23.S SYSFIX C-MLAB.C CONFIG.AWK KDWORD.S M34.S SYSFIX.C C-MLAB.O CONFIG.MLAB L-MLAB.O M45.S Maybe it is the CPU and not the memory that's causing the problem - I was probably a bit premature in jumping to the conculsion about the memory (perhaps my 2.9BSD experiences aren't applicable here.) Sure. Warren's already moved the RL02 image to Boot_images in the PUPS archive, and at some point someone (me? Warren?) might find enough copious free time to strip out the sources. The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find the 'mount' executable. I suspect that the system manager might have removed or (more likely) renamed it as a security precaution. (Security? Unix? well, you can try...) I'd like to mount one of the user disks on a second RL drive, but without 'mount' this is hard. Anyone have any ideas? "/dev/rl1" is real and works fine, as I can "od /dev/rl1" without a problem. # MOUNT /DEV/RL0 /MNT MOUNT NOT FOUND # CD / # LS -A . ETC MNT RX UNIX.RXRL .. FIXOWNER MNT1 SRC UNIX.TMP .MAIL HMBOOT MNT2 SYS USR .PROFILE JUNK NAMES TMP V7BOOT A.OUT LIB OLDUNIX UNIX X BIN LIB.OLD OLDUNIX.25.7 UNIX.JONES XLIB DEV LOOP RLUBOOT UNIX.MLAB # CAT .PROFILE V7=YES UMASK 002 HOME=\'PWD\' : MAIL=$HOME/.MAIL B=$HOME/BIN PATH=:$B:/BIN:/USR/BIN:/USR/BIN/V7:/USR/UCB PS1="$ " UPTIME : 'ECHO -N "FORTUNE: "; /USR/GAMES/FORTUNE' # LS /BIN A DB GREP NEWGRP SH.V7 ANVART DC HELP NM SH.YALE AR DCHECK ICHECK OAS SIZE AR-NEW DD IF OCC SORT AR-OLD DF KILL OD STRIP AS DISKCOPY L OLDCHEF STTY AT DISKCOPY.OLD LD OLS SU AWK DSW LINK OPR SUM BAS DU LIST OXY SYNC BYE DUMP LN PASSWD TIME CAT E LOGIN PGS TP CC ECHO LPR PR TP.OLD CDB ED LS PS TS CHGRP EXIT LST RESTOR TTY CHMOD F MAIL REW UNIQ CHOWN FC MAKE RM WHO CLRI FF MENU RMDIR WRITE CMP FILE MKDIR SH XTP CP FS MV SH.BELL XY CSH FTN NCC SH.DEFAULT DATE GOTO NCHECK SH.TEST # LS /USR/BIN ! DIFF GSI NCCC SPLIT STTY DIFFDIR HACK NICE SRCCOM AC DITTO HEAD NMS STARTLP ARCV DOSCVT HEX NOHUP STOP ASA DOSDT IGNORE NOPARITY STRINGS BANNER DOUBLE INDEX NROFF SYSMON BASIC DOWN INFO OFFLINE TABEXP BATCHCARDS DRIBBLE IUL ONLINE TABS BC DSTAT JOIN PARITY TB BCD DTC KWT PF TCON BCPIO DTCOPY LABELS PFE TEE BCPL DTFS LAST PFSH TOASA BEEP ENTER LC PFWAIT TOUCH C EOT LENGTH PG TR CAL ERASE LIBGEN PLOT TRIM CAP EXPAND LIBSORT PLOTTER TSET CCC FDB LINES PP TT CHDATE FED LINKER PPR TX4010 CHEF FERR LISP PROF TXOFF CHK FEXPR LOADVFU PT TXON CKDIR FIELDS LOC PWD TYPO CLEAR FILDES LOCK QP U2L COL FIND LONG RADPK UC COLS FIX LPI RC UNARCV COMM FIXLEN M2U READPPT V0CVT COST FMT M2U.OLD REFS V7CVT CPALL FMT_INDEX M6 ROFF VT125PLOT CPIO FMTCARD MAN RTDT WC CREF FMTINDEX MARK RTLD WHERE CRPOST FMTSORT MESG RULER WIPE CRYPT FOLD MNTBIN RUN WRAP CS FORM MPLOT RX2FMT XFS CS2 FSIZE MPLOT.HIDDEN RXFMT ZERO CTL GAMES MTS SA CVTRT GENDATE MTSFS SKULK DBL GRAB MVDIR SLEEP # LS /USR/BIN/V7 /USR/BIN/V7 NOT FOUND # LS /USR/UCB MAIL DRIBBLE.OUT GREP PIX SSP APROPOS EX HEAD PRINT STRINGS ASTAGS EX.OLD IUL PRINTENV TMP CKDIR EXPAND LAST PTAGS TOD CLEAR EYACC LOCK PX TRA CLOCK FLEECE LS PX34 TSET CR3 FMT.UCB MAKEWHATIS PXP UNTMP CTAGS FOLD MAN PXP34 VI CXREF FROM MKSTR PXREF W DAYTIME FTAGS MSGS RESET WHATIS DIFFDIR FUNNY NUM SEE WHEREIS DOUBLE GETNAME PI SETENV WHOAMI DRIBBLE GETS PI34 SOELIM XSTR Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10124 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:59 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10119 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:52 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA07849; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803092124.AA07849(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9803091737.AA13243(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 9, 98 09:37:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Many thanks to Pete Turnbull, who pointed me towards /etc/mount. Some of the "user" disks appear to be corrupted. Anyone care to tell me where to find fsck? Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10206 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from toes.its.uwlax.edu (toes.its.uwlax.edu [138.49.128.183]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10200 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:36 +1100 (EST) Received: by toes.its.uwlax.edu; id AA02902; NX5.67e/42; Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9803092152.AA02902(a)toes.its.uwlax.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Milo Velimirovic <milov(a)toes.its.uwlax.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:20 -0600 To: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Whither fsck (was: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source?) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Reply-To: Milo_Velimirovic(a)uwlax.edu References: <9803092124.AA07849(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Tim, fsck doesn't exist yet in the V6 world. you want icheck and dcheck... they need at least one argument which should be the name of a raw device containing the filesystem you want to check. (Using the block device anme will work but be much, much slower.) --- Milo Velimirovic <Milo.Velimirovic(a)uwlax.edu> Unix Computer Network Administrator (608) 785-8030 Information Technology Services -- Network Services University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W Begin forwarded message: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f 9, 98 09:37:04 am Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10827 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:57 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10822 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:52 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10668 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803100040.LAA10668(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Just in from Dion To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Guys, Just got this in from Dion re the license. No word as to date of availability yet, I did say `we're waiting....' though. I sent Dion a draft set of instructions on how to get the license. Part of his return email goes: Yes, very good. I have no idea how to find that damned govt list. I think our reference is out of date but who No, it doesnt say that. It says that on our request, you must furnish the list, but we dont demand it up front. In practice, I doubt we will ever ask anyone to furnish this, much less do an on-site visit. Of course, it might be a fun way to win a trip to Australia if I volunteer to go on a tour to see that our highly valuable intellectual property is being treated right... ;-) That sounds good to me. Warren Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15085 for <unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:14:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14910 for unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803110316.OAA14910(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> To: unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP-11 UNIX Src Licenses Available Hello, you are receiving this mail for one of the following reasons: + you signed a petition urging SCO to make source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX available + your filled in a survey detailing what you wanted in such a source license + you are a member of the PUPS mailing list I am glad to announce that, as a result of the petition, SCO have made source licenses available for most versions of PDP-11 UNIX. The essential details of the license are: Covers research Editions 1 to 7, and 32V. Covers derived versions of UNIX which ran on PDP-11s. Specifically excludes System V onwards. Full source code, binaries and documentation. Personal, non-commercial use. Exchange of sources and modifications to other licensees. Non-disclosure to unlicensed people. The cost is US$100. Details on how to obtain the license are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html SCO will not ship any media with this license. The PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society has a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs and tapes in order to distribute the PUPS Archive of old Unix software to licensed people. Details about this archive are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html We would like a few more licensed people to volunteer to create CD-ROMs and tapes, to take the load off the existing volunteers. Finally, none of this would have been possible without the immense support which we received from Dion Johnson within SCO. He battled with the legal eagles over a period of 18 months or so to make the license available. If you can, please send Dion a thank you card at the address The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Dion Johnson This will be a surprise for him, but I'm sure he will appreciate your thanks. In turn, I would like to thank you all for your support. Without the signatures on the petition, none of this would have been possible. Warren Toomey wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15239 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:50 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15234 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:47 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15256 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803110352.OAA15256(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: SCO PDP-11 Licenses Available To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Most of you on the PUPS mailing list should have received notice that SCO are now selling the PDP-11 Unix source licenses we have been waiting so long for. If not, details are on the PUPS web page, and at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html We only have 6 volunteers ready to write media (CDs, tapes) holding the archive of PDP-11 Unix material. Anybody else want to volunteer? SCO will let us set up password-protected ftp sites. I will set up the PUPS archive here for password-protected ftp. Would anybody else be prepared to mirror this and also provide password-protected ftp? I'd like one in the US and one in Europe. Cheers all, Warren