28 Jun
2021
28 Jun
'21
10:48 a.m.
From: Paul Riley
I want to use printf from an assembly language
program, in V6. ... the
substitutional arguments for printf are pushed onto the stack in reverse
order, then the address of the string, and then printf is called. After
this, 6 is added to the stack pointer.
This is all down to the standard C environment / calling sequence on the
PDP-11 (at least, in V6 C; other compilers may do it differently). Calls to
printf() are in no way special.
Very briefly, there's a 'frame pointer' (R5) which points to the current
stack
frame; all arguments and automatics are relative to that. A pair of special
routines, csv and cret (I couldn't find the source on TUHS, but it happens to
be here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/csv.s
if you want to see it), set up and tear down the frame on entry/exit to that
routine. The SP (R6) points to a blank location on the top (i.e. lower address;
PDP-11 stacks grow down) of the stack.
To call a subroutine, the arguments are pushed, the routine is called (which
pushes the return PC), and on return (which pops the return PC), the arguments
are discarded by the caller.
(I wrote a note, BITD, explaining how all this worked; I'll upload it to the
CHWiki when I get a chance.)
I assume that the printf routine pops the address of
the string off the
stack, but leaves the other values on the stack
No, all C routines (including printf()) leave the stack more or less alone,
except for CSV/CRET hackery, allocating space for automatic variables on
routine entry (that would be at L1; try looking at the .s for a routine with
automatic variables), and popping the return PC on exit. The exception to this
is the stuff around calling _enother_ routine (sketched above).
Another exception is alloca() (source here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/alloca.s
again, couldn't find it in TUHS), which allocated a block of memory on
the stack (automatically discarded when the routine which called alloca()
returns). Note that since all automatic variables and incoming arguments
are relative to the FP, alloca is _really_ simple; justs adjusts the
SP, and it's done.
What troubles me is that the stack pointer is not
decremented before the
first mov, in the example below. Is this some C convention? I would
assume that the first push in my example would overwrite the top of the
stack.
That's right; that's because in the C runtime environment, the top location
on the stack is a trash word (set up by csv).
I understand db only works on files like a.out or core
dumps. If I
wanted to break the assembly language program to examine values, how can
I force a termination and core dump elegantly, so I can examine some
register values?
Use 'cdb':
https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/man/man1/cdb.1
which can do interactive debugging.
Noel
28 Jun
28 Jun
5:27 p.m.
New subject: Using printf from Assembly Language in V6, and db.
Noel,
Thanks for that.
As a non-C consumer of printf, should I point R5 at some space for a stack
and call printf in the same manner as the C example I cited? If it's all
too hard I'll stick to writing to stdout with my own routines.
Paul
*Paul Riley*
Email: paul(a)rileyriot.com
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 at 14:49, Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
From: Paul
Riley
I want to use printf from an assembly language
program, in V6. ...
the
substitutional arguments for printf are pushed
onto the stack in
reverse
order, then the address of the string, and then
printf is called.
After
this, 6 is added to the stack pointer.
This is all down to the standard C environment / calling sequence on the
PDP-11 (at least, in V6 C; other compilers may do it differently). Calls to
printf() are in no way special.
Very briefly, there's a 'frame pointer' (R5) which points to the current
stack
frame; all arguments and automatics are relative to that. A pair of special
routines, csv and cret (I couldn't find the source on TUHS, but it happens
to
be here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/csv.s
if you want to see it), set up and tear down the frame on entry/exit to
that
routine. The SP (R6) points to a blank location on the top (i.e. lower
address;
PDP-11 stacks grow down) of the stack.
To call a subroutine, the arguments are pushed, the routine is called
(which
pushes the return PC), and on return (which pops the return PC), the
arguments
are discarded by the caller.
(I wrote a note, BITD, explaining how all this worked; I'll upload it to
the
CHWiki when I get a chance.)
I assume that the printf routine pops the address
of the string off
the
stack, but leaves the other values on the stack
No, all C routines (including printf()) leave the stack more or less alone,
except for CSV/CRET hackery, allocating space for automatic variables on
routine entry (that would be at L1; try looking at the .s for a routine
with
automatic variables), and popping the return PC on exit. The exception to
this
is the stuff around calling _enother_ routine (sketched above).
Another exception is alloca() (source here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/alloca.s
again, couldn't find it in TUHS), which allocated a block of memory on
the stack (automatically discarded when the routine which called alloca()
returns). Note that since all automatic variables and incoming arguments
are relative to the FP, alloca is _really_ simple; justs adjusts the
SP, and it's done.
What troubles me is that the stack pointer is not
decremented before
the
first mov, in the example below. Is this some C
convention? I would
assume that the first push in my example would overwrite the top of
the
stack.
That's right; that's because in the C runtime environment, the top location
on the stack is a trash word (set up by csv).
I understand db only works on files like a.out or
core dumps. If I
wanted to break the assembly language program to examine values, how
can
I force a termination and core dump elegantly, so
I can examine some
register values?
Use 'cdb':
https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/man/man1/cdb.1
which can do interactive debugging.
Noel
7:48 p.m.
New subject: Using printf from Assembly Language in V6, and db.
Paul,
Noel did a great job of explaining the C calling conventions. I'm going to
see if I can add a little color, mostly to help explain why.
FWIW: Page 115 of the 1979 PDP-11 Processor Handbook has a nice picture and
explanation, which I have attached (but I'm not sure if it will pass
through the mailing list filters):
[image: JSR-Instruct.png]
A simple way to think about it is that in C, with an HW-based stack
usually r6 (not all systems had an HW-based sp), the >>caller<< maintains
the save area. The sp is always pointing to a place that it can write.
Thus no need to pop the last item off the stack (*i.e.* first pushed -
which in this case means overwriting the top of the stack) since it will
also be overwritten when the sp is used later.
In your example [I added the LXX and LYY for later explanation]:
L2:mov $L4,(sp)
jsr pc,*$_printf
mov $1,_a
mov $2,_b
mov $3,_c
LXX:mov _c,(sp)
mov _b,-(sp)
mov _a,-(sp)
mov $L5,-(sp)
LYY:jsr pc,*$_printf
add $6,sp
mov $L6,(sp)
jsr pc,*$_printf
L3:jmp cret
So, to map it to the DEC example... the first mov $L4,(sp) at label L2 is
putting 'mmmmmm' on the stack, then the immediately following jsr puts the
return [which uses an implied pre-decrement, before it writes the stack].
After printf returns (RTS instruction in printf), the sp is back pointing
to the same 'top' as it was before the call, so no need to further mess
with sp, caller has done nothing other than modify the top of the stack [mov
$L4,(sp)]. But then starting at LXX we see 4 mov instructions in row, 3
which modify the sp. This means the caller has 'pushed 6 bytes to the top
of stack [downward on a PDP-11 -- via the last three mov's to the stack
with the pre-decrement push's], so the caller needs to clean up those 6
bytes that it pushed, with the add the follows the jsr. Note that the next
printf's argument is placed on the top of the stack but since not other
args are pushed (as with the first call), there is not need to clean up the
sp when we return.
Clem
BTW: If you look at the processors, like the IBM S/360 which lacks an HW
stack, and other languages (say Fortran), the '*push down save area*' is
maintained by the callee. There is a different convention on where to
find parameters for those machines and languages. It's interesting that
if you talk to the designers of same (which I have in a number of cases)
the 8 and 16 bits microprocessors (*e.g.* 8080/M6800/M6502, 8086/M68000)
were most heavily influenced by the S/360 and the PDP-11. It's interesting
what features they took from each. Having programmed in both systems
(including assembler in both), the PDP-11 stack scheme is much more natural
to me personally, but I did spend a number of years in an IBM shop hacking
TSS/360 in assembler before I ever saw UNIX.
ᐧ
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:28 AM Paul Riley <paul(a)rileyriot.com> wrote:
Noel,
Thanks for that.
As a non-C consumer of printf, should I point R5 at some space for a stack
and call printf in the same manner as the C example I cited? If it's all
too hard I'll stick to writing to stdout with my own routines.
Paul
*Paul Riley*
Email: paul(a)rileyriot.com
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 at 14:49, Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
From:
Paul Riley
I want to use printf from an assembly language
program, in V6. ...
the
substitutional arguments for printf are pushed
onto the stack in
reverse
order, then the address of the string, and then
printf is called.
After
this, 6 is added to the stack pointer.
This is all down to the standard C environment / calling sequence on the
PDP-11 (at least, in V6 C; other compilers may do it differently). Calls
to
printf() are in no way special.
Very briefly, there's a 'frame pointer' (R5) which points to the current
stack
frame; all arguments and automatics are relative to that. A pair of
special
routines, csv and cret (I couldn't find the source on TUHS, but it
happens to
be here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/csv.s
if you want to see it), set up and tear down the frame on entry/exit to
that
routine. The SP (R6) points to a blank location on the top (i.e. lower
address;
PDP-11 stacks grow down) of the stack.
To call a subroutine, the arguments are pushed, the routine is called
(which
pushes the return PC), and on return (which pops the return PC), the
arguments
are discarded by the caller.
(I wrote a note, BITD, explaining how all this worked; I'll upload it to
the
CHWiki when I get a chance.)
I assume that the printf routine pops the address
of the string off
the
stack, but leaves the other values on the stack
No, all C routines (including printf()) leave the stack more or less
alone,
except for CSV/CRET hackery, allocating space for automatic variables on
routine entry (that would be at L1; try looking at the .s for a routine
with
automatic variables), and popping the return PC on exit. The exception to
this
is the stuff around calling _enother_ routine (sketched above).
Another exception is alloca() (source here:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/unix/lib/alloca.s
again, couldn't find it in TUHS), which allocated a block of memory on
the stack (automatically discarded when the routine which called alloca()
returns). Note that since all automatic variables and incoming arguments
are relative to the FP, alloca is _really_ simple; justs adjusts the
SP, and it's done.
What troubles me is that the stack pointer is not
decremented
before the
first mov, in the example below. Is this some C
convention? I would
assume that the first push in my example would overwrite the top of
the
stack.
That's right; that's because in the C runtime environment, the top
location
on the stack is a trash word (set up by csv).
I understand db only works on files like a.out or
core dumps. If I
wanted to break the assembly language program to examine values,
how can
I force a termination and core dump elegantly, so
I can examine some
register values?
Use 'cdb':
https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/man/man1/cdb.1
which can do interactive debugging.
Noel
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