What I have: 11/83, QBUS, 2MB, DH11, running RT-11 5.04 plus TSX - Kermit is installed on the machine 2x CDC 384MB SMD disks attached to Emulex Controller emulating MSCP 1 DigiData 800/1600 BPI 9-track drive attached to TM-11 emulating controller What I need: Way to get 2.11BSD onto one of the CDC drives (preferably not to one with RT-11). How I can do that: 1. Kermit transfer of 2.11BSD images to RT-11 q1. Is there a way to then transfer from RT-11 to one of the CDC disks? q2. Is there a way to then transfer from RT-11 to tape images on the DigiData? 2. A kind soul sends me a set of 9-track 2.11BSD tapes with boot images. 3. Other? Any takers? Thanks! greg Gregory Travis Cornerstone Information Systems ATS greg(a)ciswired.com 812 330 4361 ext. 18 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA56396 for pups-liszt; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:34:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA56392 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:34:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22875 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:35:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA56383 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:33:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18988 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200008140130.SAA18988(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: [pups] Needed 2.11BSD 9-track boot tapes Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk It wouldn't happen to be an Emulex UC07 or UC08 would it? If so there are a couple possibilities that open up. Slow but sure - the sum total of data to move is close to 80mb I don't think RT-11 understands the 2.11BSD filesystem so I don't think this approach can be made to work. This can be made to work but it depends on having a program that can transfer the the files "bytes as bytes" (no record format interpretation, etc) _and_ handle multiple blocking factors on the first tape. If you have the PDP-11 volume of the archives you should see in the PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD directory two files called 'maketape.c' and 'maketape.data'. It's a small program and if a counterpart to that could be created for RT-11 you'd be all set to go. The layout of the first tape normally is: mtboot+mtboot+boot (512 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> disklabel (1024 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> mkfs (1024 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> restor (1024 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> icheck (1024 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> root.dump (10240 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> file6.tar (10240 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> file7.tar (10240 byte blocking factor) <tapemark> <tapemark> The 2nd tape contains file8.tar blocked at 10240 bytes. The "boot" tape really only need to have the first few files, up to and including 'root.dump'. Those are enough to boot the tape, run the standalone utilties to label the disk, create the filesystem and restor the root filesystem. The tar archives can be (with suitable interpolation of the installation instructions) be placed on individual tapes. This may be necessary because file7.tar may or may not fit any longer on the first tape. Why three blocking factors? Well, partly historical and partly hardware reasons. The first "file" contains the 'bootblock' and that needs to be 512 bytes since that's all the hardware will read. The standalone i/o system uses 1024 byte blocks so the next few files use 1k records. After the standalone utilities are done and the system is loaded 'tar' can use its default 20 sector (10kb) record size. My tape drive may or may not work - it's been ages since it was last powered up and I fear the rubber parts may have disintegrated (or the capacitors dried out, etc). If you could find a TK70+TQK70 drive+controller that would be awesome. They're pretty cheap (less than $100 I believe - I didn't pay much for mine). Or even a TK50 drive (almost free) attached to a TQK70 would be fine. The TQK70 is a vastly better controller than the TQK50 because the former has a buffer cache that makes a huge difference is how often the tape stops moving. If the Emulex controller you have is SCSI based (UC07 or 08) then someone could stage and make available a 2.11BSD Zip disk image with all the stuff needed to boot and run the installation proceedure (I've a Zip disk attached to my UC08 - works great). Alternatively a 2.11 formatted CDROM could be created and a CDrom drive (that knew about 512 byte blocks instead of 2048 byte blocks) could be used. Good Luck! Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA57080 for pups-liszt; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA57076 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25335 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from goby.ciswired.com (IDENT:root@goby.ciswired.com [206.97.67.65]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA56900 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:21:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from greg(a)ciswired.com) Received: from weasel.ciswired.com (root(a)weasel.ciswired.com [206.97.67.73]) by goby.ciswired.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA25189; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:17:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by weasel.ciswired.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30939; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:25:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: weasel.ciswired.com: greg owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Gregory R. Travis" &lt;greg(a)ciswired.com&gt; To: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: [pups] Needed 2.11BSD 9-track boot tapes In-Reply-To: &lt;200008140130.SAA18988(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-ID: &lt;Pine.LNX.4.10.10008132221010.30812-100000(a)weasel.ciswired.com&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Steven M. Schultz wrote: No, it's a DigiData board. Single QBUS board. Two 40-pin connectors. I've already been waiting a few weeks :-) Yeah, it's the RT-11 part that I don't know. It's a little hard to believe that in 20+ years no-one has come up with an RT-11 program to build UNIX distribution tapes! :-) (again) The Windex and electrical tape are on me. Did I mention that I would happiliy provide 9-track boot service in the future? That is. once I can get a system running! Not SCSI, SMD/MSCP/Pertec formatted unfortunately greg Gregory Travis Cornerstone Information Systems ATS greg(a)ciswired.com 812 330 4361 ext. 18