27 Mar
2017
27 Mar
'17
10:24 p.m.
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/statement%…
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
27 Mar
27 Mar
5:43 p.m.
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017, Warren Toomey wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous
people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/statement%…
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (?ALU-USA?), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix?1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
Looks like v9 runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
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4:14 a.m.
I know what I have is a 3-slot Sun-3...so let's hope it's enough ;)
Also it seems there aren't actually any binaries there...this will be fun ;)
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 27, 2017, at 19:13, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
Looks like v9
runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck. 
10:03 a.m.
There is an emulator.. I was actually playing with it earlier this week trying to get
SunOS 2 to boot, on a SUN-2 ..
Anyway it's called TME
http://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
And updates here:
http://www.heeltoe.com/index.php?n=Retro.Sun2
I think my machine may be too fast. It's very touchy to build and I think the slj
threadding is really interesting but may also introduce complications...
On March 28, 2017 10:13:42 AM GMT+08:00, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
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Looks like v9
runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck.
10:21 a.m.
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017, Jason Stevens wrote:
There is an emulator.. I was actually playing with it
earlier this week trying to get SunOS 2 to boot, on a SUN-2 ..
Anyway it's called TME
http://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
And updates here:
http://www.heeltoe.com/index.php?n=Retro.Sun2
Oh hey - thanks.
Maybe I can finally build stuff without segfaults.
I think my machine may be too fast. It's very
touchy to build and I think the slj threadding is really interesting but may also
introduce complications...
On March 28, 2017 10:13:42 AM GMT+08:00, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
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Looks
like v9 runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck. 
2:26 p.m.
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I have a bunch of 32bit Sun stuff that I have been wanted to get rid of
for some time. It is free to anyone who pays to have it shipped to
them, or if you are close enough to my location, hand delivered.
I know I have two Sun 3/50 systems, one of them has a third party memory
expansion board. Both booted NetBSD but probably not for something like
10+ years. I have hard drives, enclosures and cables for nearly all of
it.
The entire collection is crudely displayed at:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/
I can provide detailed descriptions of anything you see. Items 7A and
7B are the Sun 3/50 systems. Contact me off list if there is any
interest.
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Looks like v9
runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck. 
4:38 p.m.
Thanks to everyone involved.
Álvaro
El 28 mar. 2017 14:26, "Brad Spencer" <brad(a)anduin.eldar.org> escribió:
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I have a bunch of 32bit Sun stuff that I have been wanted to get rid of
for some time. It is free to anyone who pays to have it shipped to
them, or if you are close enough to my location, hand delivered.
I know I have two Sun 3/50 systems, one of them has a third party memory
expansion board. Both booted NetBSD but probably not for something like
10+ years. I have hard drives, enclosures and cables for nearly all of
it.
The entire collection is crudely displayed at:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/
I can provide detailed descriptions of anything you see. Items 7A and
7B are the Sun 3/50 systems. Contact me off list if there is any
interest.
--
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http://anduin.eldar.org - & - http://anduin.ipv6.eldar.org [IPv6 only]
Looks
like v9 runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck. 
29 Mar
29 Mar
4:57 a.m.
On Tuesday, 28 March 2017 at 8:26:12 -0400, Brad Spencer wrote:
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I have a bunch of 32bit Sun stuff that I have been wanted to get rid of
for some time.
So do I, but I'm keeping it. The pizza boxes (SS2, SS5 and SS20) are
just the right shape and size to prop up the monitors on my desk.
Greg
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Looks
like v9 runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see if you could still find 'em, no such luck. 
28 Mar
28 Mar
5:23 p.m.
Glad I kept my 3/280
It was in a VME 12-slot (I think) ComputerVision workstation. But I also
found a Sun 4/440 that had been upgraded from a 3/280 - so I have a real
Sun backplane with the 3/280 in it - gotta see if it'll fire up again.
I could shoot myself for not saving some of the Sun-2 machines I found.
All were units at Loral Fairchild in Syosset, NY. The Sun-4 I
administered until it was deprecated, but when I snooped around one of
their mothballed buildings, I found a slew of Sun-2's and that Sun-3.
They did a lot of CAD stuff on those CV machines.
Is the 3/50 that much different than a 3/280?
On 3/27/2017 10:13 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
Looks like v9
runs on Sun-3/50.
Now to hope my Sun-3 is a 3/50 and well...find it. ;)
Heh. I went to ebay to see
if you could still find 'em, no such luck.
5:38 p.m.
I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was basically a single
VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:23:49AM -0400, Arthur
Krewat wrote:
Is the 3/50 that much different than a 3/280?
Different bus structure as I recall. The 3/50 were workstations,
the 3/280 was big rack mounted VME (?) based system, mostly used
as file servers.
5:41 p.m.
Could be, I just remember the 3/280 as a monster with lots of I/O.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:38:48AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was
basically a single
VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:23:49AM -0400, Arthur Krewat wrote:
> > Is the 3/50 that much different than a 3/280?
>
> Different bus structure as I recall. The 3/50 were workstations,
> the 3/280 was big rack mounted VME (?) based system, mostly used
> as file servers.
>
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7:36 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:30:21AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
Nope, both had 68020s.
http://sunstuff.org/hardware/systems/sun3/
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Could be, I just remember the 3/280 as a monster
with lots of I/O.
One difference, if memory still serves, is the 3/50 has a 68010 CPU, whereas
the 3/280 has a 68020.
5:46 p.m.
Not according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3
The 3/50 was indeed a "pizza box" according to this, but Brad Spencer's
images 7A and 7B he purports these are 3/50 boards:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/ - and those are definitely VME
form-factor. Although, it's possible it uses only that "custom/private"
third connector on the VME backplane?
On 3/28/2017 11:38 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was
basically a
single VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com
<mailto:lm@mcvoy.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:23:49AM -0400, Arthur Krewat wrote:
Is the 3/50 that much different than a 3/280?
Different bus structure as I recall. The 3/50 were workstations,
the 3/280 was big rack mounted VME (?) based system, mostly used
as file servers.
6:18 p.m.
This is pretty nice summary:
http://sunstuff.org/hardware/systems/sun3/sun3/3-50/ and
http://sunstuff.org/hardware/systems/sun3/sun3/3-280/
I'm always amazed at what's out there.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:47 AM Arthur Krewat <krewat(a)kilonet.net> wrote:
Not according to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3
The 3/50 was indeed a "pizza box" according to this, but Brad Spencer's
images 7A and 7B he purports these are 3/50 boards:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/ - and those are definitely VME
form-factor. Although, it's possible it uses only that "custom/private"
third connector on the VME backplane?
On 3/28/2017 11:38 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was basically a single
VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:23:49AM -0400, Arthur Krewat wrote:
Is the 3/50 that much different than a 3/280?
Different bus structure as I recall. The 3/50 were workstations,
the 3/280 was big rack mounted VME (?) based system, mostly used
as file servers.
7 p.m.
Arthur Krewat <krewat(a)kilonet.net> writes:
Not according to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3
The 3/50 was indeed a "pizza box" according to this, but Brad Spencer's
images 7A and 7B he purports these are 3/50 boards:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/ - and those are definitely VME
form-factor. Although, it's possible it uses only that "custom/private"
third connector on the VME backplane?
On 3/28/2017 11:38 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
> I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was basically a
> single VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
My understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
What is not a VME system was the 3/80, which I also have.
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7:42 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 01:00:41PM -0400, Brad Spencer wrote:
Arthur Krewat <krewat(a)kilonet.net> writes:
Hmm, so the 4/110 being VME is for sure correct, I had one of those when
I was at Sun. The 3/50, I just don't think it was VME. I believe they
made a version that was a single VME board but so far as I know that was
a different beast. I could be wrong, I googled a bit and couldn't figure
it out.
What I know for sure is, unlike a 4/110, you couldn't open up the case
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50 was a VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive.
Not according to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3
The 3/50 was indeed a "pizza box" according to this, but Brad Spencer's
images 7A and 7B he purports these are 3/50 boards:
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/ - and those are definitely VME
form-factor. Although, it's possible it uses only that "custom/private"
third connector on the VME backplane?
On 3/28/2017 11:38 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
> I *think* the 3/50 had a VME bus. As I recall, it was basically a
> single VME board mounted inside of a pizzabox case.
My understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
8:02 p.m.
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I think that the 3/50 was a "single board" VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it. I will pull one out and get
some close up shots of the connectors and perhaps the answer can be
determined by physical inspection. I also looked at the config file for
NetBSD for the sun3 and it very much mentions vme all over the place,
but that may not have applied to the 3/50. Is it possible that just VME
connector was used for power and the like... but nothing else??
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My
understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
Hmm, so the 4/110 being VME is for sure correct, I had one of those when
I was at Sun. The 3/50, I just don't think it was VME. I believe they
made a version that was a single VME board but so far as I know that was
a different beast. I could be wrong, I googled a bit and couldn't figure
it out.
What I know for sure is, unlike a 4/110, you couldn't open up the case
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50 was a VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive.
8:19 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 02:02:06PM -0400, Brad Spencer wrote:
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I think that the 3/50 was a "single board" VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it. I will pull one out and get
some close up shots of the connectors and perhaps the answer can be
determined by physical inspection. I also looked at the config file for
NetBSD for the sun3 and it very much mentions vme all over the place,
but that may not have applied to the 3/50. Is it possible that just VME
connector was used for power and the like... but nothing else??
That actually rings a bell, could be.
I think it was 3/110 that had the same case/bus as the 4/110. Less sure
about that, I'm not sure I've ever used a 3/110. Got a lot of miles on
a 4/110, did a ton of UFS work on that machine.
My
understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
Hmm, so the 4/110 being VME is for sure correct, I had one of those when
I was at Sun. The 3/50, I just don't think it was VME. I believe they
made a version that was a single VME board but so far as I know that was
a different beast. I could be wrong, I googled a bit and couldn't figure
it out.
What I know for sure is, unlike a 4/110, you couldn't open up the case
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50 was a VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive.
10:51 p.m.
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 02:02:06PM -0400, Brad Spencer
wrote:
I took some more pictures. The connector on the 3/50 is certainly VME.
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/Item_7B_board_connector.jpg
- the 3/50 without the memory expansion board, close up of the board
connector.
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/Item_7B_case_connector.jpg
- a very bad shot of the case that the 3/50 board goes into
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/Item_8_board_closeup.jpg
- a closer picture of the 4/110. Note the three connectors.
http://anduin.eldar.org/~brad/sunstuff/Item_8_case_connectors.jpg
- the inside of the 4/110 case
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Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> writes:
I think that the 3/50 was a "single board" VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it. I will pull one out and get
some close up shots of the connectors and perhaps the answer can be
determined by physical inspection. I also looked at the config file for
NetBSD for the sun3 and it very much mentions vme all over the place,
but that may not have applied to the 3/50. Is it possible that just VME
connector was used for power and the like... but nothing else??
That actually rings a bell, could be.
I think it was 3/110 that had the same case/bus as the 4/110. Less sure
about that, I'm not sure I've ever used a 3/110. Got a lot of miles on
a 4/110, did a ton of UFS work on that machine. My
understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
Hmm, so the 4/110 being VME is for sure correct, I had one of those when
I was at Sun. The 3/50, I just don't think it was VME. I believe they
made a version that was a single VME board but so far as I know that was
a different beast. I could be wrong, I googled a bit and couldn't figure
it out.
What I know for sure is, unlike a 4/110, you couldn't open up the case
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50 was a VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive. 
29 Mar
29 Mar
10:22 a.m.
I think that the 3/50 was a "single board"
VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it.
IIRC the only way to add anything to it was to pull the processor from its
socket, plug in a daughterboard, and then plug the processor back into that.
It did feel a whole lot more responsive with that extra 8MB of memory!
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11:38 a.m.
George Ross <gdmr(a)inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
The method to "upgrade" a Sun-3/50 was to pull the gate arrays and add a
doughter board. There have been such extensions from "Sunflower". A company
that was latrer forced by Sun to rename into "Solflower".
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I think that
the 3/50 was a "single board" VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it.
IIRC the only way to add anything to it was to pull the processor from its
socket, plug in a daughterboard, and then plug the processor back into that.
It did feel a whole lot more responsive with that extra 8MB of memory! 
30 Mar
30 Mar
5:17 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Joerg Schilling <schily(a)schily.net> wrote:
George Ross <gdmr(a)inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
The method to "upgrade" a Sun-3/50 was to pull the gate arrays and add a
doughter board. There have been such extensions from "Sunflower". A company
that was latrer forced by Sun to rename into "Solflower".
I know people that did unnatural things to upgrade the Sun 3/50 to
something that had enough memory not to suck. Oh, and to have real
disks, rather than the crazy SCSI to ESDI disks that had performance
only marginally better than floppy drives.... IIRC, the hard part
was getting a VME "cage" to allow other cards to in inserted, which
killed the pizza-box implementation of the 3/50. But it's been a long
time since that happened, and maybe I'm misremembering. Maybe that was
only possible with the 3/60.
Warner
I think
that the 3/50 was a "single board" VME system... and as you say
you really couldn't add anything to it.
IIRC the only way to add anything to it was to pull the processor from its
socket, plug in a daughterboard, and then plug the processor back into that.
It did feel a whole lot more responsive with that extra 8MB of memory! 
29 Mar
29 Mar
8:55 a.m.
On 2017-Mar-28 10:42:54 -0700, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50 was a
VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive.
Unless you're planning on selling lots of them, using the same PCB and
just not populating the bus interface logic might be cheaper than
designing a new board.
--
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10:51 a.m.
Peter Jeremy <peter(a)rulingia.com> wrote:
On 2017-Mar-28 10:42:54 -0700, Larry McVoy
<lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
It also helps to manage many of them in larger cabinets.
In 1991-1992, we added self made ISDN boards to the Boot-Prom socket of
Sun 3-50s, put several of them into a Sun/3-160 cabinet that then was put into
the computer room of the TU-Berlin as a ISDN<->IP gateway for students.
There was e.g. a cabinet with the machines named "fa", "so",
"la" "si" in the
domain ".isdn.cs-tu-berlin.de".
Jörg
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URL: http://cdrecord.org/private/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/files/
and shove more VME stuff in there. If the 3/50
was a VME board I'm not
sure what the point was other than, perhaps, to reuse the same part in
a small case. I can't see Andy doing that, he was super cost sensitive.
Unless you're planning on selling lots of them, using the same PCB and
just not populating the bus interface logic might be cheaper than
designing a new board.
28 Mar
28 Mar
7:51 p.m.
Brad Spencer <brad(a)anduin.eldar.org> wrote:
My understanding is that the 3/50 is indeed some sort
of VME system, as
is the 4/110, with some address related oddities. But it has been a
very long time since I booted a 3/50 up... The 3/50 I have are in their
cases, I just opened them up for the pictures.
The 3/50 and 3/60 used a VME-type socket, but only the power pins are connected.
What is not a VME system was the 3/80, which I also
have.
The 3/80 was a SS-1 form factor board.
Jörg
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URL: http://cdrecord.org/private/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/files/
27 Mar
27 Mar
10:28 p.m.
Wonderful news... Thank you extended to all involved.
Clem
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous
people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/
20170327_1602/statement%20regarding%20Unix%203-7-17.pdf
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
10:43 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 06:24:58AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
There are some issues around the copyright of third
party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
They are now in four subdirectories at
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/
Here is an (incomplete, I'm sure) list of people who have been involved
with the lobbying for the release of these editions of Unix:
Dennis Ritchie
Ken Thompson
Doug McIlroy
Brian Kernighan
Rob Pike
Russ Cox
Norman Wilson
Peter Salus
Martin Carroll
Martin in particular, through his persistance, finally got the legal
bods at Alcatel-Lucent to agree to not assert their copyright rights.
Cheers, Warren
P.S All I did was nag people and set up a mailing list for them :)
7:42 a.m.
arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Well, I'll take credit for pushing Norman yet
again. :-)
ARGGH. That should have been
Well, I'll take credit for pushing Warren ...
^^^^^^
Sorry.
Arnold
P.S. Write on the blackboard 100 times: I will not post before coffee,
I will not post before coffee ... :-)
9:07 a.m.
A huge T H A N K Y O U to everyone who helped with
this. This is
absolutely amazing and wonderful.
Arnold
Awesome. I share Arnold's words of thanks.
Gracias | Regards - Saludos | Greetings | Freundliche Grüße | Salutations
--
Sergio Pedraja
-----
No crea todo lo que ve, ni crea que está viéndolo todo
9:30 a.m.
On Di, 2017-03-28 at 06:43 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
They are now in four subdirectories at
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/
Fantastic. A big "thank you" to all.
Hellwig
1:38 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 06:43:54AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
They are now in four subdirectories at
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/
Thank you. Very interesting.
Now if only I could find the unix source for Tom Duff's rc shell in there.
Or maybe I'm overlooking it?
DF
5:36 p.m.
Derek Fawcus <dfawcus+lists-tuhs(a)employees.org> writes:
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 06:43:54AM +1000, Warren
Toomey wrote:
I didn't find it so far, the manpage is there though.
Other fun things I saw on a quick tour are in v10blit:
src/jim
in v10src:
cmd/movie
cmd/cyntax
cmd/monk
cmd/dag (precedessor of dot?)
cmd/cfront/cfront2.00
--
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen(a)gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
They are now in four subdirectories at
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/
Thank you. Very interesting.
Now if only I could find the unix source for Tom Duff's rc shell in there.
Or maybe I'm overlooking it? 
7:28 p.m.
if cfront is of interest v3.0 and i think v3.1 are available here:
http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus
i did manage to get the final version to run on plan9 but it supports no modern constructs
and so was little real use.
-Steve
On 28 Mar 2017, at 16:36, Christian Neukirchen
<chneukirchen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Derek Fawcus <dfawcus+lists-tuhs(a)employees.org> writes:
I didn't find it so far, the manpage is there though.
Other fun things I saw on a quick tour are in v10blit:
src/jim
in v10src:
cmd/movie
cmd/cyntax
cmd/monk
cmd/dag (precedessor of dot?)
cmd/cfront/cfront2.00
--
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen(a)gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
On Tue,
Mar 28, 2017 at 06:43:54AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
They are now in four subdirectories at
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/
Thank you. Very interesting.
Now if only I could find the unix source for Tom Duff's rc shell in there.
Or maybe I'm overlooking it?
27 Mar
27 Mar
11:07 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous
people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/statement%…
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Excellent news. While short of fully open-sourcing (since some open
source code winds up in commercial applications), it will be available
for reference at least.
Warner
11:11 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
There are some issues around the copyright of third
party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Can you characterize what the 3rd-party material might be?
Warner
11:51 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 03:11:54PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
Me personally, no. But there are others on the list who can help do this.
Hopefully they will chime in!
Warren
There are some
issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Can you characterize what the 3rd-party material might be? 
11:45 p.m.
On 27 March 2017 at 16:24, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous
people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/statement%…
Could you please place a ocpy of this wonderful statement in the
archives (for local future reference)?
N.
28 Mar
28 Mar
12:22 a.m.
On 03/27/2017 03:45 PM, Nemo wrote:
Could you please place a ocpy of this wonderful
statement in the
archives (for local future reference)?
I think it would be neat to leverage Apache's mod_autoindex HeaderName
directive to include the text in the top header of the
/Archive/Distributions/Research page.
I.e. copy the contents of the PDF into a text (or HTML) file and have it
above the directory listing.
You can do similar with the ReadmeName for the footer below the
directory listing.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
4:17 a.m.
also - thank you for all of this, everyone!
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 27, 2017, at 13:24, Warren Toomey
<wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/statement%…
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
10:04 a.m.
This is fantastic!!! Thanks for this hard work, now we can finally see some of the
"hidden" UNIX!
On March 28, 2017 4:24:58 AM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous people
over many
years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/20170327_1602/stateme
nt%20regarding%20Unix%203-7-17.pdf
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that
it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property
rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any
rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories
will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10,
and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not
limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or
that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
8:07 p.m.
Amazing! Thank you!!!!
Anyone have plans to bring Jerq to life in emulation?
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
All, today after some heroic efforts by numerous
people over many years,
Nokia-Alcatel has issued this statement at
https://media-bell-labs-com.s3.amazonaws.com/pages/
20170327_1602/statement%20regarding%20Unix%203-7-17.pdf
Statement Regarding Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10
Alcatel-Lucent USA Inc. (“ALU-USA”), on behalf of itself and Nokia
Bell Laboratories agrees, to the extent of its ability to do so, that it
will not assert its copyright rights with respect to any non-commercial
copying, distribution, performance, display or creation of derivative
works of Research Unix®1 Editions 8, 9, and 10. The foregoing does not
(i) transfer ownership of, or relinquish any, intellectual property rights
(including patent rights) of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA or any of their
affiliates, (ii) grant a license to any patent, patent application,
or trademark of Nokia Corporation, ALU-USA. or any of their affiliates,
(iii) grant any third-party rights or licenses, or (iv) grant any rights
for commercial purposes. Neither ALU-USA. nor Nokia Bell Laboratories will
furnish or provided support for Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10, and
make no warranties or representations hereunder, including but not limited
to any warranty or representation that Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and
10 does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights or that
Research Unix Editions 8, 9, and 10 is fit for any particular purpose.
There are some issues around the copyright of third party material in
8th, 9th and 10th Editions Unix, but I'm going to bite the bullet and
make them available in the Unix Archive. I'll post details later today.
Cheers, Warren
--
Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | @newshtwit | thenewsh.blogspot.com
9:54 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 08:07:45AM -1000, Tim Newsham wrote:
Amazing! Thank you!!!!
Anyone have plans to bring Jerq to life in emulation?
There is one in 9front:
http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/file/3595611ca650/sys/src/games/blit
Should work with plan9port.
khm
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