All, I am still bashing away at my v7 a.out simulator, available at ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/apout_2.1.tar.gz. I'm having a *$(&(#(@ of a time getting it to work 100% correctly. At the moment, I can compile 30 to 40% of the programs in /usr/src/cmd. It seems that the assember isn't being simulated correctly. Nearly all the other programs work fine. Does anybody have any PDP-11 asm programs (preferably v7 Unix .s files) that give the user mode a damn good flogging, and catch instructions and addressing modes that are not working correctly :-) Thanks all, Warren Received: from eram.esi.com.au (dave@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id WAA01901; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:46:42 +1100 Received: (from dave@localhost) by eram.esi.com.au (8.6.12/ESI-HUB-2.0) id WAA10767; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:49:01 +1100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:49:00 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall &lt;dave(a)esi.COM.AU&gt; To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: mknod device numbers In-Reply-To: <9511202219.AA13088@dolphin> Message-ID: &lt;Pine.SUN.3.91.951121224148.10757A-100000(a)eram.esi.com.au&gt; X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions" X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Warren Toomey wrote: Ah yes, the classic Catch-22... "How do I do this?" "You need a licence." "How do I get a licence?" "Nobody knows." With apologies to Milo Minderbinder... And in the meantime. those of us who can't quite lay our hands upon that piece of paper will just have to wait until Something Can Be Done. -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) | dave(a)esi.com.au | VK2KFU @ VK2DAA.NSW.AUS.OC | PGP 2.6 Opinions expressed are mine. | D8 15 71 F9 26 C8 63 40 5E 63 5C 65 FC A0 22 99 Received: from mail.crl.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with SMTP id RAA04567; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:12:03 +1100 Received: from crl12.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA21753 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for &lt;oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;) Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:10:07 -0800 Received: by crl12.crl.com id AA02825 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:06:51 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Danny R. Brown" &lt;sysyphus(a)crl.com&gt; To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Message-Id: &lt;Pine.SUN.3.91.951121214923.2266B-100000(a)crl12.crl.com&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings: Woe is me. I have been trying to resurrect Unix (BSD) on my venerable PDP-11/73. It had an RL02, which has gone west. It is running RT-11/TSX off an RD-54, and I would much like to run BSD2.11 instead, for several reasons. Now, I have several components of 2.11, and I'm trying to build a bootable TK50 tape to install from. The problem is that I cannot seem to assemble the tape files onto the tape using RT-11. It has no 'dd' facility. At least, I thought it did, but every left-handed syntax variation I have tried has resulted in "You can't do that" -type errors, so I have given up. This is really a simple problem. I would steal another RL02 if I could build the tape from BSD2.9, but it doesn't support MSCP. So what I need is either: 1. Someone who knows the secret to doing an addressable variable- block-length transfer to a TMSCP device with RT-11; or 2. A bootable RL02 image of 2.11, wwhich would be a feat; or 3.A bootable RD5X image of same; or 4.A TK50, preferably the distribution tape. (Yes, I put eggs in my beer). All leads appreciated. I *do* have surplus Q-bus hardware (except for RL02 drives). Cheers! BTW- how do I subscribe to this mailing list? ************************************************************************* * A Personal Message from * BASILISK * * Danny R. Brown * "Try our other fine flavors!" * * ( sysyphus(a)crl.com ) * (404) 392-1691 * * Pager:(404)397-0516 * LYNC host mode * ************************************************************************* Received: from wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id SAA04683; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:05:23 +1100 Received: (from sms@localhost) by wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id XAA12504; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:04:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:04:20 -0800 From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199511220704.XAA12504(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, sysyphus(a)crl.com Danny - Hmmm - does RT-11 have the ability/utilities to write 512 byte records "bits as is" to tape? No labeling, no nothing. Can you, using RT-11 do the equivalent of: cat mtboot mtboot boot > file dd if=file of=tapedrive bs=512 Basically what you want to do is have two copies of the tapeboot block followed immediately by the boot program written to tape using 512 byte records. Perhaps catenating the data together into 1 temp file first would help and then write that file out all at one time. Once you have that data on tape you have a bootable TK50. The other images (mkfs, restor, etc) can be put on separate tapes if need be and loaded one at a time. That will require some interpolation of the setup/installation documents but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Or TMSCP ;-( Bletch (to eggs in beer) ;-) TK50 tapes are excrutiatingly (sp) time consuming to write - I'm not sure where the problem is (other than the TK50 being about as smart and fast as a rock). Reading them isn't too bad, but to write a full 2.11 kit on TK50 took around 7 hours the last time I did it on a 11/73. Drop a line to Warren Toomey (wkt(a)csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au) Cheers and good luck. Steven Received: from mail.crl.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with SMTP id MAA06264; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:26:57 +1059 Received: from crl11.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA29097 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for &lt;oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;) Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:25:08 -0800 Received: by crl11.crl.com id AA28493 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:17:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Danny R. Brown" &lt;sysyphus(a)crl.com&gt; To: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; Cc: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: &lt;199511220704.XAA12504(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;Pine.SUN.3.91.951122170747.28165A-100000(a)crl11.crl.com&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Steven M. Schultz wrote: ------- snip ------ First, I want to complement you on the excellent docs for 2.11BSD. Second, I want to flame the people at DEC who decided that the TK-50 MUST have a directory of some sort, and that various commands which will work with other mag-tape devices will NOT work on the TK-50 (under RT-11). I am now going to plan B. I am going to scrounge up a proper reel- to -reel magtape. Anybody know where I can find one ? :=) ************************************************************************* * A Personal Message from * BASILISK * * Danny R. Brown * "Try our other fine flavors!" * * ( sysyphus(a)crl.com ) * (404) 392-1691 * * Pager:(404)397-0516 * LYNC host mode * ************************************************************************* Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with SMTP id TAA06791; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:10:56 +1059 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-4.mail.demon.net id sg.ac28016; 23 Nov 95 8:09 GMT Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk by relay-3.mail.demon.net id sg.aa25017; 23 Nov 95 8:07 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:55:16 GMT From: Robin Birch &lt;robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk&gt; Reply-To: robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk Message-Id: &lt;143(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk&gt; To: sysyphus(a)crl.com, "Steven M. Schultz&quot;(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk Cc: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: your mail X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d X-User: Alpha Test Version Of FI-Mail, DisWin 1.5C:\WINSOCK\WINDIS X-SMTP-Posting-Host: falstaf.demon.co.uk [Thu, 23 Nov 95 8:07:33 GMT] X-SMTP-Posting-Host: post.demon.co.uk [Thu, 23 Nov 95 8:09:33 GMT] Agreed, they are excellent, Steven did a wonderful job of continuing and enhancing the docs that were completed for 2.10. They originally enabled me to do a complete install, never having done one for anything other than RSX and with zero UNIX experience. SO again, well done Steven. Can you not write to the TK50 using system calls?. What you need to do is to write a utility that does "raw" byte by byte writes to the tape. I can't believe that this can't be done. If this can be done then images could be written to the tape exactly as they appear on a standard 2.11 distribution which could help you out. Failing that, where are you?. Could one of the people close by who have 2.11 cut you a TK50?. Cheers Robin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Robin Birch EMail robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from sunic.sunet.se by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id TAA06805; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:25:22 +1100 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id JAA13839; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:25:15 +0100 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA21643; Thu, 23 Nov 95 09:25:14 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist &lt;bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE&gt; Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 9:25:13 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE To: "Danny R. Brown" &lt;sysyphus(a)crl.com&gt; Cc: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt;, oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:17:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: &lt;CMM.0.90.0.817115113.bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE&gt; I have a TU77 here in Sweden... :-) And maybe Megan can answer for that "stupidity"...? :-) Johnny Received: from mail.crl.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with SMTP id QAA00979; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:57:04 +1100 Received: from crl14.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA03371 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for &lt;oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;) Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:55:08 -0800 Received: by crl14.crl.com id AA17836 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:45:23 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:45:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Danny R. Brown" &lt;sysyphus(a)crl.com&gt; To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: BSD211 Tape building Message-Id: &lt;Pine.SUN.3.91.951126212950.17682A-100000(a)crl14.crl.com&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings: I'm getting there. Now that I have a working(??) drive, more trouble. The file size/# of records/block sizea aren't matching. bytes, 512 -byte Tape file Docs- #records, size PC RT11disk blocks 0 mtboot 1 512 512 1 boot 14 512 32462 64 1 disklabel * 23@ 512 or 1024 36191 71 2 mkfs 28 1024 31727 62 3 restor 27 1024 34066 67 4 icheck 26 1024 31356 62 * disklabel was quoted as two different bs in two different places. I really think that my gunzipping is kosher- I do it in the PC prior to ethernet-ing it to the PDP with no errors, and in fact I unzipped one file on my unix host and beamed it down. It was the same. Anyway boot is too big or restor is to small, or something. Any ideas whatis going on here? Merry Christmas! ************************************************************************* * A Personal Message from * BASILISK * * Danny R. Brown * "Try our other fine flavors!" * * ( sysyphus(a)crl.com ) * (404) 392-1691 * * Pager:(404)397-0516 * LYNC host mode * ************************************************************************* Received: from wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id SAA01218; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:10:55 +1059 Received: (from sms@localhost) by wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id XAA21408; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 23:09:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 23:09:29 -0800 From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199511270709.XAA21408(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com&gt; To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, sysyphus(a)crl.com Subject: Re: BSD211 Tape building Hi - I'm not sure what you mean by "not matching" - the sizes you list below are correct. 'boot' is 32462 bytes, 'disklabel' is 36191 bytes, 'mkfs' is indeed 31727, and so on. ARRGH! That's a typo in the setup documents. Sorry 'bout that. I'll updated the master copies and post a patch in comp.bugs.2bsd soon. ALL of the executable programs (disklabel, icheck, mkfs, restor) must be blocked at 1024 bytes per record on the tape. Yep - it looks like the gunzip went ok - the byte sizes look correct. You lost me there - what is too big or too small about them? The record counts mentioned in the setup documents are examples - the counts were accurate at one time, but then if a bug was fixed or a feature added to boot or restor the number of records would change slightly. The various programs change size over time and the documents are not updated if the record sizes change a little bit. Oh - you need to have 2 copies of the 'mtboot' file at the front of the tape. Why (I hear you ask)? Some boot roms actually read the 2nd copy! The format of a boot tape is: mtboot mtboot boot <TM> disklabel <TM> mkfs <TM> restor <TM> icheck <TM> <TM> = Tape Mark. the first file (with mtboot,mtboot,boot) is blocked at 512 bytes, all the other executables are blocked at 1024 (ignore the typo in the setup docs). Good Luck! Steven Schultz sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com