Almost definitely, anything Seismo/UUNET/Rick did would be passed back to CSRG. You're going to glue TLS to UUCP? You know it's interactive (two way) protocol, right?

On 7/2/24 12:16 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote: Does the UUCP that you're working with have any concept of -> support TCP based connections? Or are you relying on external programs to dial TCP / TLS connections and similarly something else to host TCP / TLS connections and launch UUCP? -- Grant. . . . unix || die

On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 12:32:23PM -0400, Rich Salz wrote: Wrapping UUCP in stunnel isn't exactly rocket science - and my mail has been flowing through this for more than 20 years ;-) Kind regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

arnold(a)skeeve.com writes: Come on, this is TUHS :-) I'm trying to resurrect the original code, not some newcomer clone :-) --lyndon

Lyndon, I just untar'ed "file6" of the 4.3BSD *.tap file from TUHS, which has the usr.bin sources (which include UUCP). This is clearly a BSD version but has been influenced by Honey-Dan-Ber. It seems to have the 't' protocol. [I did not look to see if it has the 'e' protocol, which was the earlier TCP over ethernet that I released from Masscomp about four years earlier and is also in UUNET Netnews Archives.] Given the comments about supporting Tymnet's NonPeak services, I feel pretty confident that this is post Rich Adam's work. Clem --- CHANGES FILE --- List of Changes to UUCP CHANGES 5.7 86/02/12 Added support for Eunice. Added new dialers: Racal Vadic 212 Racal Vadic 811 dialer with 831 adaptor Racal Vadic 820 dialer with 831 adaptor Racal Vadic MACS, 811 dialer with 831 adaptor Racal Vadic MACS, 820 dialer with 831 adaptor Dec DF112 4.2BSD style networking on top of tcp/ip ('t' protocol) X.25/PAD support ('f' protocol) Novation Penril Hayes 2400 Smartmodem Concord Data Systems CDS 224 ATT 2224 2400 baud modem Running uucico with debugging on requires read access to L.sys. If "NOSTRANGERS" is defined in uucp.h, the remote site must be in you L.sys or the call will be rejected. Lock files may be kept in a subdirectory if desired. STST files are kept in a subdirectory. CORRUPT subdirectory contains corrupted C. and X. files that could not be processed. (Instead of just exiting) You can specify a maximum grade to send either on the command line (-gX) or in the L.sys file (Any/C|Evening will only send class C [usually mail] or higher during the day and will send everything in the evening) See UUAIDS/L.sys for examples. L.sys (and any of the files in lib/uucp) can contain comments by putting a # as the first character on a line. Lines may be continued by placing a \ as the last character of the line. -R flag reverses role. (Lets the remote system be master first instead of slave) -L flag only calls "local" sites. Local sites are those sites having one of LOCAL,TCP or DIRECT in the ACU field of L.sys. If /etc/nologin is present (usually created by a graceful shutdown), uucico and uuxqt will gracefully exit instead of getting killed off when the system goes down. Does an exponential backoff on retry time if call fails instead of always waiting the default 5 minutes. The default may be overridden by adding ",TIME" to the time field in L.sys. e.g. "seismo Any,2" will use a default retry time of 2 minutes. If uucico receives a SIGFPE while running, it will toggle debugging on and off. Better status messages provided for uustat. New program uuq to give more decriptive information on status of jobs in uucp queue. Don't send files to remote system if it is returning out of temp space error. Correctly does the closing hangup sequence. condevs.c was broken into a file for each dialer in the directory aculib for much easier maintenance. Only try at most TRYCALLS to dial a site instead of one try for each dialer (lost big on systems with many dialers) Add ABORT sequence to the expect/send sequence so don't have to wait for timeout if can't get through dataswitch. e.g. noao Evening ACU 1200 6021234565 "" \d\r CLASS NOAOUUCP ABORT Down GO \d\r ogin:-\b-ogin: uucplogin word: uucppassword will only call noao in the evening (evening is defined by the phone rates). It will expect nothing and then wait 1 second (\d) and send a carriage return. Look for CLASS, then send NOAOUUCP. From then on, if it sees the word Down before finishing logging in, it will hang up immediately. In the mean time, it looks for GO and if it sees it, delays 1 second and sends a CR. Looks for ogin:, etc. This abort sequence is very useful if you must go through a dataswitch to get to the computer. The time field in L.sys now handles "Evening" and "Night" in addition to Any, Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa,Su. Evening and Night are defined to be when the phone rates are cheaper. Evening = Wk1700-0800|Sa|Su Night = Any2300-0800|Sa|Su0800-1700 The expect/send code now supports: \s space \d delay 1 second \r carriage return with no linefeed \b break \c don't send a CR after these characters \xxx the octal character xxx (e.g. \s == \040 L-devices now handles "chat" scripts (like HoneyDanber) to get through local port selectors and smart modems more easily without mucking up every line of L.sys. See UUAIDs/L-devices for details. The 'g' protocol code was cleaned up a lot and is now almost readable. If you need a parity other than even (the default) to login to another system, you can change it in L.sys by putting in a sequence like "" P_ZERO (expect nothing, send zero parity). Odd Parity P_ODD Even Parity P_EVEN Zero Parity P_ZERO One Parity P_ONE If DONTCOPY is defined in uucp.h, uucp will not make a copy of the source file by default. (This is the way System 3 does it). If an X. request fails, the notification is returned to the originator of the request instead of "uucp" on the previous system. The man pages are actually accurate! If LOGBYSITE is defined, uucp logging is done with a log file per site instead of one LOGFILE. (Like Honey DanBer does) There is a new file (optional) L.aliases that makes life simpler when a site changes it's name. uucp, uux, uucico, etc all check it so when a site is renamed (e.g convex <- parsec) all you have to do is add an entry in L.aliases of the form: newname oldname uucico will not try and resend files it has already sent (when the files are specified in one C. file) Incorporated Bill Sebok's code to dial in and out on the same modem. NOTE: acucntrl is heavily Vax/4.xbsd specific and will require work to run on any other system. For compatibility with Honey DanBer, in the Date fields of L.sys, | was changed to , (| is supported, but not encouraged) , was changed to ; (to allow , to be the date seperator) For Honey DanBer compatibility, the Grade flag is now passed as -vgrade=X instead of the old -pX Don't truncate site names to 7 characters (truncate to 14 if anyone gets that absurd) for HDB compatibility. L.aliases may be used to map host with longer names in L.sys to 7 character names that some hosts send. Entries should be fullname 7-char-name You can specify a time for the expect send sequences with ~ instead of getting the default MAXMSGTIME. E.g. system Any ACU 1200 1234567 ogin~20-\r-ogin~10-\b-ogin user password pw will look for ogin for 20 seconds, send CR, look for ogin for 10 seconds, send a BREAK and look for ogin for MAXMSGTIME seconds Added code to support GTEs PC Pursuit service. It's mainly the handling of the dialback they use. Added time "NonPeak" for Tymnet/Telenet services that charge lower rates from 6pm-7am M-F and Sat & Sun. ᐧ ᐧ

"Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)" &lt;lyndon(a)orthanc.ca&gt; wrote: As a matter of history, I don't think GNU UUCP existed that early. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Arnold