That was a great post from David. It rang true on everything where I overlapped. The cars in the ponds were before my time. I had mixed feelings about Bill when I was at Sun, we fought. We both wanted the right thing, we fought like crazy about what was right. There were so many times I wanted to quit and I thought "I can't leave Bill to fight them alone". So yeah, I'm another Bill Shannon fan. And a Karen fan, I liked how she did things. Both really great people. Matt, thanks for this, I had not seen it. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:27:48PM -0600, Matt Day wrote: -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm