Ahoy! I've about given up hope to create a 2.11 boottape myself[1], so I'm wondering what to do next. I have this MicroPDP, with a DELQA network card, a PC 5.25" diskdrive shoe-horned into working as RX33 and a TK50 tape drive. If it helps: I've managed to get Kermit running on the PDP, but I haven't figured out if it is possible to "kermit" to the tapedrive directly. Probably not. Any hints? Kind regards, Martijn. [1] My hopes have vaporized into thin air by two "not so overly bright" persons. One of them decided that the TKZ-50 drive we (the local user group) had should be split into controllerboard and actual drive (and stored seperately), the other one didn't recognize the TKZ50 controller, couldn't figure out what it was used for, and threw it away... Some people deserve to be shot. -- Martijn van Buul - Pino(a)dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA80663 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:47:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA80659 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:47:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA81255 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:48:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:2026@Zeke.Update.UU.SE [130.238.11.14]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA80647 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:47:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from bqt(a)Update.UU.SE) Received: from localhost (bqt@localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA26636; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:46:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:46:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> To: Martijn van Buul <pino(a)dohd.org> cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? In-Reply-To: <20001009153936.A18313(a)mud.stack.nl> Message-ID: <Pine.VUL.3.93.1001010004455.25207B-100000(a)Zeke.Update.UU.SE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Martijn van Buul wrote: Perhaps you should start by telling what you have running on the PDP-11 right now? Both software and hardware wise. Wow. Impressive stupidity! Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA82929 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:40:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA82925 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:40:20 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA83764 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA82907 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:39:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01412; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <200010100436.VAA01412(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pino(a)dohd.org, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Greetings - It is an 11/53 or better (73, 83, 93)? There were numerous "MicroPDP" systems made but some of them were 11/23 or 23+ and those will not run 2.11BSD What OS did you manage to get Kermit running under? I do not believe Kermit itself can handle the multiple block sizes used when writing the files that make up the "boot tape". Do you have any development facilities on the currently running system? If so then it might be possible to write a program to create a tape from the files brought over via kermit. First shoot the individuals mentioned in [1]? ;) If you've a PC with a 5.25" drive and the ability to do image copies to it ('dd' on a *BSD* or Linux system) that might be one way to get 2.11 over to the MicroPDP. A single RX33 can easily hold the standalone programs (boot, disklabel, restore, mkfs, icheck) and it only takes 3 or 4 RX33 disks to hold a root filesystem dump. The bad part is that the GENERIC kernel lacks networking due to space contraints. Someone would have to create a custom kernel+ networking root filesystem and create 3 or 4 RX33 images to be dd'd out to floppies. Then, once a networking based root filesystem was loaded it should be possible to get pull the remaining data over the network with a "rsh ... | tar ..." command. Much depends on the ability to create floppy disks from images on a PC that can be read on the RX33 which the PDP-11 has. If that works then the rest will be timeconsuming (and the install instructions will of course be heavily modified ;)) but at least possible. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com