19 Feb
2003
19 Feb
'03
11:31 a.m.
Howdy all,
Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a little
funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This recent
story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot of
money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify for
funding?
bill
Plan Approved to Save U.S. Digital History -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2003Feb14.html?referre…
The Library of Congress announced the next step in the effort to
preserve that history: congressional approval of its plan for the
National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation
Program.
19 Feb
19 Feb
3:17 p.m.
On Tuesday, 18 February 2003 at 21:31:05 -0800, Wm. G. McGrath wrote:
Howdy all,
Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a
little funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This
recent story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot
of money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify
for funding?
You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right? "Federal" has a
different meaning here. Of course, there's a possibility that the
Australian government would be interested. I'll investigate.
Greg
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20 Feb
20 Feb
4:02 a.m.
On 2003-Feb-19 19:47:21 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com>
wrote:
You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right?
"Federal" has a
different meaning here. Of course, there's a possibility that the
Australian government would be interested. I'll investigate.
Not that great a difference. Both Oz and the US have a very similar
Federal/state structure. Getting US Federal funding for an Oz site
is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how to handle
the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national boundaries
and some of the information it needs to archive won't be in the US).
Peter
6:25 p.m.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:02:28 +1100
Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy(a)alcatel.com.au> wrote:
Not that great a difference. Both Oz and the US have a
very
similar Federal/state structure. Getting US Federal funding for an
Oz site is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how
to handle the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national
boundaries and some of the information it needs to archive won't be
in the US).
Yup. There are lots of issues here. The story made it to /.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/16/2322243&mode=thread&tid…
and things like media longevity, data formats, and future
availability came up in the comments section. I believe we need to
somehow provide the future with the benefit of our intelligence and
experience as well as with information. And TUHS can be of help
there. Besides, a great deal of Unix history (not all of it be any
means) was created in the US: Bell Labs, Digital, Sun, IBM, SCO,
Xenix, etc. So there is clearly a US 'interest'. I guess the
question may be whether the Library is going to archive systems or
restrict itself to content, ie web pages.
bill
25 Feb
25 Feb
6:03 a.m.
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 9:02:28 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote:
On 2003-Feb-19 19:47:21 +1030, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't clear. In America, "Federal" refers to the American
federal government. Here it refers to the Australian federal
government. Thus, the funds that the original poster mentioned
would probably not be available.
Greg
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You know that TUHS is based in Australia, right?
"Federal" has a
different meaning here. Of course, there's a possibility that the
Australian government would be interested. I'll investigate.
Not that great a difference. Both Oz and the US have a very similar
Federal/state structure. Getting US Federal funding for an Oz site
is unlikely (but the LoC is going to need to work out how to handle
the fact that the Internet doesn't acknowledge national boundaries
and some of the information it needs to archive won't be in the US).
10:05 p.m.
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:33:38 +1030
"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't clear. In America,
"Federal" refers to the
American federal government. Here it refers to the Australian
federal government. Thus, the funds that the original poster
mentioned would probably not be available.
Clear enough. As a Canadian I'm certainly aware of the difference
between federal and regional goverments. AFAIK though Digital was a
Massachusetts company and thus the LoC has an interest in it's
activities - along with the rest of the American computer industry.
It's only logical that they'd have an interest in TUHS archives. It
would be a shame to see TUHS loose out because of a silly turf war.
Regardless of where the archive site hardware is located, the
information in TUHS archives is clearly American. If you are
interested in the preservation of Unix heritage I really can't see
the point of nationalistic hostility, refusing to cooperate, or at
least of trying. The LoC is certainly one of the best data
repositories on the planet, and a great way of ensuring that
knowledge about Unix is available to future generations. In my view
results will probably depend more upon how things are approached
rather then what country the server is located in. One thing is
perfectly clear. Digital heritage has become very important.
bill
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/ndiipp/repor/repor_plan.html
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2003/03-022.html
http://www.loc.gov/
11:51 p.m.
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Same here. But as an American I am fully aware of the differences on
all three levels. State, Federal, and City. And why they do, or don't
work. I did succeed in figuring out what our friend in Oz was talking
about. And I am pleased that the LoC is getting involved.
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Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:33:38 +1030
"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't clear. In America,
"Federal" refers to the
American federal government. Here it refers to the Australian
federal government. Thus, the funds that the original poster
mentioned would probably not be available.
Clear enough. As a Canadian I'm certainly aware of the difference
between federal and regional goverments. AFAIK though Digital was a
Massachusetts company and thus the LoC has an interest in it's
activities - along with the rest of the American computer industry.
It's only logical that they'd have an interest in TUHS archives. It
would be a shame to see TUHS loose out because of a silly turf war.
Regardless of where the archive site hardware is located, the
information in TUHS archives is clearly American. If you are
interested in the preservation of Unix heritage I really can't see
the point of nationalistic hostility, refusing to cooperate, or at
least of trying. The LoC is certainly one of the best data
repositories on the planet, and a great way of ensuring that
knowledge about Unix is available to future generations. In my view
results will probably depend more upon how things are approached
rather then what country the server is located in. One thing is
perfectly clear. Digital heritage has become very important.
bill
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/ndiipp/repor/repor_plan.html
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2003/03-022.html
http://www.loc.gov/
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