28 Nov
1999
28 Nov
'99
2:21 a.m.
Hi -
From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com>
Did the version of 2.11BSD you're working from have disklabel support in
the hk driver? Disklabel support there was added recently (where "recent"
= 2 years ago).
And even then the disklabel changes to the HK (rk06/7) driver have
not been actually tested - the site that was going to do that had
equipment failures and that combined with the lack of interest in
or curiosity about PDP-11s resulted the the entire 11 collection being
scrapped.
So, I went and make the changes anyhow and they "should work" since
adding disklabel support to a driver is mostly a boilerplate type of
activity but there's always the chance that an error crept in.
Disklabel support for the XP (rp03/4/5/6/7) driver is known to work
well.
Steven Schultz
Received: (from major@localhost)
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA40359
for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:03:50 +1100 (EST)
From "Steven M. Schultz"
<sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Sun Nov 28 07:00:21 1999
Received: from moe.2bsd.com
(0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200])
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA40355
for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:03:42 +1100 (EST)
Received: (from sms@localhost)
by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA04124
for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:00:21 -0800 (PST)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:00:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com>
Message-Id: <199911272100.NAA04124(a)moe.2bsd.com>
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
Subject: Re: 2.11BSD
Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
Precedence: bulk
From: pups(a)mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list)
Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com
Did you successfully build from a boot-tape image on
the emulator, or did
you copy the RP06 image (such as on the PUPS archive) directly to the disk
and tranfer the physical drive to the PDP? (And what method/command did
you use?)
'fraid I haven't been _that_ route before.
What I would do today, given the presence of a Qbus SCSI adaptor in the
system, is either
1) Use a cheesy old 4mm drive (I've a Sony SDT5000 that's too small
and/or slow today for the Intel system - upgrade it to an 8mm
drive), hook that up to the PC and blast the 2.11BSD boot kit
on it (using the instructions, etc provided in the PUPS archive).
Then move the 4mm drive over to the PDP-11 and boot the tape .
2) Get a SCSI Zip drive, hook it up to the "PC" and use one of the
emulators to create a ~96mb image of a system containing the
standalone utilities + dump of root fs + tar files for usr.
Then march the Zip drive over to the PDP-11 and boot. Instead
of specifying "tape file numbers" to the standalone programs
(as in "tms(0,1)") you would use "ra(1,0)disklabel" and so
on.
A Zip drive is _real nice_ to have on the 11/73 - the Zip is actually
quite a bit faster than an RD53/RD54 and the media and drives are
cheap for Zips (Internal SCSI zip drives and a 3.5" shoebox run perhaps
$150 or so).
Steven Schultz
Received: (from major@localhost)
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA40489
for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:24:22 +1100 (EST)
Has anyone done this before? I would use a SCSI
tape to boot from but the
SCSI tape drive I have died. (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers
I do this regularly for my vaxen. 10 to 1 Steven Schultz has been this route
on the PDP-11's tho (Hi Steven :). From "Daniel A. Seagraves"
<DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Sun Nov 28 07:23:30 1999
Received: from toad.xkl.com
(toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40])
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA40485
for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:24:14 +1100 (EST)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:23:30 -0800
From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Subject: Re: 2.11BSD
To: sms(a)moe.2bsd.com
cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
In-Reply-To: <199911272100.NAA04124(a)moe.2bsd.com>
Message-ID: <13503008950.14.DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
Precedence: bulk
[Given the presence of...]
Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed. But it is possible to do?
That's all I was really after.
Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour, depends on when they're
done with the cord.
Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP!
This is an 11/44.
I plan on taking pictures sometime. ^_^
-------
Received: (from major@localhost)
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA40973
for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:33:51 +1100 (EST)
From "Steven M. Schultz"
<sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Sun Nov 28 09:23:37 1999
Received: from moe.2bsd.com
(0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200])
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA40969
for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:33:42 +1100 (EST)
Received: (from sms@localhost)
by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA04916
for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:23:37 -0800 (PST)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:23:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com>
Message-Id: <199911272323.PAA04916(a)moe.2bsd.com>
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
Subject: Re: 2.11BSD
Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
Precedence: bulk
From: "Daniel A. Seagraves"
<DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed. But it is possible to do?
That's all I was really after.
Oh, it _should_ work - so yes, it's possible if all the underlying
pieces are in place.
Hmmm, rather than trying to use a pre-existing RP06 disk image
perhaps it would be better to get the tape images (should be
in the pups archive) and use 'makesimtape' or whatever to create
a bootable tape image for one of the emulators. Going thru a
"cold install" to create a disk image should work.
You do have floating point hardware in the 11/44, correct?
Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour,
depends on when they're
done with the cord.
Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP!
This is an 11/44.
Doh! That's what comes from dashing off a mail item in a rush
to go off to lunch ;)
Steven
Received: (from major@localhost)
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA41022
for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:43:56 +1100 (EST)
From "Daniel A. Seagraves"
<DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Sun Nov 28 09:42:58 1999
Received: from toad.xkl.com
(toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40])
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA41018
for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:43:47 +1100 (EST)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:42:58 -0800
From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Subject: Re: 2.11BSD
To: sms(a)moe.2bsd.com
cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
In-Reply-To: <199911272323.PAA04916(a)moe.2bsd.com>
Message-ID: <13503034339.14.DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
Precedence: bulk
[Use an image built from an install tape...]
I did.
[Have floating point?]
Yup. Floating point and I'm one memory board short of 2 meg of RAM.
(I'm at 19xx bytes, forgot the exact number.)
-------
Received: (from major@localhost)
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA41262
for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:36:39 +1100 (EST)
From "Daniel A. Seagraves"
<DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Sun Nov 28 10:35:47 1999
Received: from toad.xkl.com
(toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40])
by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA41258
for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:36:31 +1100 (EST)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:35:47 -0800
From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Subject: 2.11BSD boot looping
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
Message-ID: <13503043955.14.DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
Precedence: bulk
It's looping around at 157702.
157702 contains 001776
-------
9156
days inactive
9156
days old
0 comments
1 participants
participants (1)
-
Steven M. Schultz