Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> wrote: The line of True UNIX development is straight: V6 -> V7 -> 3BSD -> 4.0BSD -> 4.1BSD -> 4.2BSD -> 4.3BSD -> 4.3BSD-Tahoe -> 4.3BSD-Quasijarus There is also a branch which I call Bostic BSD, resulting from Keith Bostic taking over CSRG and killing it, that goes: 4.BSD-Tahoe -> Net/1 -> 4.3BSD-Reno -> Net/2 -> 4.4BSD-Alpha -> 4.4BSD 1BSD and 2BSD were collections of userland bits without a kernel or a compiler toolchain or anything else that defines a system and its hardware platform, so it's generally incorrect to consider them as versions of UNIX, much less as versions of PDP-11 UNIX. They were bits to be added to an existing UNIX system, which could conceptualy be anything, although V6 and V7 for the PDP-11 were the intended targets. Berkeley UNIX never ran on PDP-11s, only on VAXen, that is, there has never been a Berkeley UNIX kernel or compiler toolchain for the PDP-11, only for the VAX. As for 2.xBSD, that's an ex-post-facto backport of BSD UNIX to PDP-11s, ex-post-facto in the sense that it was made after the torch of UNIX passed from PDP-11 to VAX, and is a human-alien hybrid of PDP-11 V7 on steroids with dumbed down VAX 4.xBSD. It comes nowhere near to mainline UNIX or mainline BSD. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA88616 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:47:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA88612 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:46:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from tls(a)panix.com) Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.0.228]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CB6155AB for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id RAA20868 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:44:08 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon <tls(a)rek.tjls.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The Unix History Graphing Project... Message-ID: <20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls(a)rek.tjls.com References: <0006162041.AA01624(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <0006162041.AA01624(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG>; from msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 03:41:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 03:41:27PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: [... and more spewage ...] I would like to ask that Mr. Solokov's association with the PUPS and TUHS projects be ended if he can not restrain himself from posting inflammatory material of this nature on the lists. Thor Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA88970 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:05:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au)