19 Apr
2006
19 Apr
'06
8:44 a.m.
Hi Bill
you may try a current version of the simh emulator (simh 3.5.-2) which
is available from simh.trailing-edge.com. I had no problems with Ultrix
3.1, Unix V6/V7 etc.. I couldn't find xenix for pdpd-11 (did I miss that
in the archives?). There is Venix, but it's for the PRO-350/380, which
is not a "normal" PDP-11.
As for the OS Tim Berners-Lee used for his first Browser, I believe that
it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation. There is very few information
available on these machines, and I don't think there is an emulator for
them. There are only a few webpages mentioning it at all: see
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd/history.html for example (it has a
picture of the machine, note the funny terminal with the two LCD's in
addition to the monitor). I recently donated my Technostation to a
computer museum...
regards
--rp
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:32:27 -0400
From: "Bill Cunningham" <billcu1(a)verizon.net>
Subject: Bob's emulator and ultrix
To: <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
I can't get the sim 2.3d to boot ultrix 3.1 or xenix or anyother boot tapes
in the uhs's archive. I have compiled the pdp11 emulator with gcc-3.4.6. I
am also interested in the OS Tim Berners-Lee used to write his first
browser. VMS on a VAX machine I have read. Is there anything like this in
the archive? A VAX emulator and VMS OS?
Bill
19 Apr
19 Apr
9:10 a.m.
New subject: [pups] Bob's emulator and ultrix
On Wed, April 19, 2006 09:44, Rico Pajarola wrote:
As for the OS Tim Berners-Lee used for his first Browser, I believe that
it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation. There is very few information
available on these machines, and I don't think there is an emulator for
them. There are only a few webpages mentioning it at all: see
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd/history.html for example (it has a
picture of the machine, note the funny terminal with the two LCD's in
addition to the monitor). I recently donated my Technostation to a
computer museum...
I understood it was NeXTStep
(http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html would seem to back
that up). So that would be running on some kind of NeXT box I should
think. Today's descendent is MacOS X, which still has a lot of things
named NS* in it.
--tim
1:24 p.m.
New subject: [pups] Bob's emulator and ultrix
On 19-Apr-06, at 5:10 AM, Tim Bradshaw wrote:
On Wed, April 19, 2006 09:44, Rico Pajarola wrote:
>
> As for the OS Tim Berners-Lee used for his first Browser, I
> believe that
> it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation. ...
Now I've heard everything :)
I understood it was NeXTStep
(http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html would seem
to back
that up). So that would be running on some kind of NeXT box
Yes, as Milo points out, an M68K model, for which afaik no emulator
exists. The original hardware can still be bought on ebay, or from
http://www.blackholeinc.com/ (if they are still responsive).
However you should be able to run NEXTSTEP/Intel (which means a late
version like 3.3) on emulated hardware (QEMU, Bochs, etc), which
coincidentally is what I've been trying to do this week.
Several versions of TBL's browser (M68K and Intel binaries for
NEXTSTEP 3.3) can be found at http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/
NeXT
--Toby
... Today's descendent is MacOS X, which still
has a lot of things
named NS* in it.
--tim
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1:26 p.m.
New subject: [pups] Bob's emulator and ultrix
On 19-Apr-06, at 5:10 AM, Tim Bradshaw wrote:
On Wed, April 19, 2006 09:44, Rico Pajarola wrote:
Further to last post, see this note by TBL: http://
www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browsers/worldwideweb/
NeXT/WorldWideWeb.html
(includes link to screenshot).
--Toby
As for the OS Tim Berners-Lee used for his first Browser, I
believe that
it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation. There is very few
information
available on these machines, and I don't think there is an
emulator for
them. There are only a few webpages mentioning it at all: see
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd/history.html for example (it has a
picture of the machine, note the funny terminal with the two LCD's in
addition to the monitor). I recently donated my Technostation to a
computer museum...
I understood it was NeXTStep
(http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html would seem
to back
that up). ...
--tim
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2:17 p.m.
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Toby Thain wrote:
I know that, but this program was based on another
program called
"Enquire", which was written by Berners-Lee on a Norsk Data machine
(supposedly a Technostation running Sintran III), see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_Data,
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Longer.html
regards
--rp
I understood
it was NeXTStep
(http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html would seem to
back
that up).
Further to last post, see this note by TBL: http://
www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browsers/worldwideweb/
NeXT/WorldWideWeb.html
(includes link to screenshot). 
10:59 p.m.
New subject: [pups] Bob's emulator and ultrix
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 10:44 +0200, Rico Pajarola wrote:
As for the OS Tim Berners-Lee used for his first
Browser, I believe that
it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation.
I doubt that, for the reasons I posted
to the list.
There is very few information
available on these machines, and I don't think there is an emulator for
them.
I'm working on one, little by little. But I have pretty much zero docs
on the ND-500(0) side of the things, as well as the interface between
the ND-100 and ND-500(0) processors.
There are only a few webpages mentioning it at all:
see
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd/history.html for example (it has a
picture of the machine, note the funny terminal with the two LCD's in
addition to the monitor).
I believe they were plasma screens, and emulated a pair
of standard
TDV-22xx serial terminals (the OS did AFAIK not support the huge
framebuffer natively).
The writer of the original version in Norwegian has all parts of the
Technostation apart from the giant desk.
I recently donated my Technostation to a
computer museum...
Which museum? Did you include the funny desk? Was it running
when you
gave it up? What software did it run?
I personally have a ND-5700 computer, and would of course *kill* for
ENQUIRE. :)
http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/technostation.jpeg offers a more detailed
view of the console. The article is in Norwegian, about the machine
winning a design award.
-toresbe :)
20 Apr
20 Apr
6:18 a.m.
New subject: [pups] Bob's emulator and ultrix
Tore S Bekkedal wrote:
maybe the word browser is not really correct, it's ENQUIRE that I
meant,
which is the great-grandfather of that browser.
As for the OS
Tim Berners-Lee used for his first Browser, I believe that
it was made on a Norsk Data Technostation.
I doubt that, for the reasons I posted
to the list. I believe they were plasma screens, and emulated a
pair of standard
TDV-22xx serial terminals (the OS did AFAIK not support the huge
framebuffer natively).
that's what I understood, the monitor was not really
"part" of the
computer, more like an external device controlled by it.
Which museum? Did you include the funny desk? Was it
running when you
gave it up? What software did it run?
http://www.bolo.ch/
And yes, it included the funny desk (altough the wooden "arms" were
broken off). It seemed complete (SCSI, CPU, 16MB RAM, 3-board Ethernet
etc. was all there, even a spare powersupply, only the front plate was
apparently missing), but it was halfways disassembled, and lacking any
software or other knowledge and time to investigate, I never dared to
turn it on.
It's a shame to let such a machine rot in storage, the museum is a much
better place for that machine, and it's not as if it's "gone" now, I
can
visit it even more often than when I had it in storage ;)
I personally have a ND-5700 computer, and would of
course *kill* for
ENQUIRE. :)
so would I...
http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/technostation.jpeg offers
a more detailed
view of the console. The article is in Norwegian, about the machine
winning a design award.
yeah, that's it, although my machine looked smaller
(half as wide)
regards
--rp
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