Dear PUPS/TUHS members, I have analyzed Rick's 4.3BSD Rev 2 Foreign images in Distributions/4bsd/43rev2 and converted them into the standard BSD release format used by me as the maintainer of 4.3BSD. I didn't change the contents of any files, I just gave the directory and all files their systematic names (being systematic and punctual in packaging and naming is essential to maintaining an archive of many different versions of software). I also uncompressed and recompressed all files so that the names stored inside the gzip headers are correct. Finally, I have created a tar tvf listing for every tarball. The result is in /usr/home/msokolov/43rev2_f. Warren, please put this into the main PUPS archive. Note, though, that usr.tar (file 4) is cut short. I have indicated this in the BROKEN.TXT file. Also this is a "foreign" tape, meaning that it has a slightly crippled crypt(3) and missing crypt(1). Given that this tape is both a little broken and "foreign", CWRU's 4.3BSD tape images in /usr/home/msokolov/43.vax may be a better choice for some people. They have normal crypt(3) and crypt(1) and have absolutely no defects. (That's the advantage of 1600 BPI over 6250 BPI. Rick seems to be having a really hard time reading 6250 BPI 4.3 and 4.3-Tahoe tapes, while CWRU's 1600 BPI 4.3BSD tapes read fine on the first attempt.) Rick's ones are Rev 2, though, and CWRU's are not. Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: mxs46(a)k2.scl.cwru.edu Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10697 for pups-liszt; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:46:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk (exim(a)moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk [131.111.24.35]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10692 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:46:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from a.f.r.bain(a)dpmms.cam.ac.uk) Received: from localhost.cam.ac.uk ([127.0.0.1] helo=moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk ident=afrb2) by moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0ziFz6-0001EI-00 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:46:16 +0000 To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Version 7 for the PERQ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:46:15 +0000 From: Alan F R Bain <A.F.R.Bain(a)dpmms.cam.ac.uk> Message-Id: <E0ziFz6-0001EI-00(a)moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk A question which I have been meaning to ask for a while and which I was reminded of by the discussion of the AMD 2900 bit slice processors was a version of AT&T V7 unix for the ICL PERQ computer. This was so similar to the original that the manual was an original AT&T one with instructions on which pages to pull out and throw away and some new ones to insert. [basically all PDP11 hardware specific ones go; and there are some new bits such as chatter as simple serial comms program]. I have several binary only distributions of this -- it was called PNX. What I'd be really interested to know is how it evolved from V7; in particular the new version of `m40.s'. In particular it seems to run on top of a rather weird instruction set which isn't very like that of the PDP11 (which would have seemed like an obvious choice at first sight for a soft-microcodeable machine). The use of as and cc with options to write out assembler is considered as `not a user option' in the manual; although it still works. I have to say that in general the port seems quite bad and in need of lots of work to make it correctly functional. However it's nice to have V7 readily available on a graphics workstation with 1Mb RAM and 768x1024 display :-) I'd be very interested to find out more of the source to PNX or especially the microcode Alan Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA12215 for pups-liszt; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:53:20 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from knecht.Sendmail.ORG (knecht.sendmail.org [209.31.233.160]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA12210 for <PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:53:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from mckusick(a)flamingo.McKusick.COM) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (root(a)flamingo.mckusick.com [209.31.233.178]) by knecht.Sendmail.ORG (8.9.2.Alpha2/8.9.2.Alpha2) with ESMTP id JAA08533; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (mckusick@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flamingo.McKusick.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07519; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811241619.IAA07519(a)flamingo.McKusick.COM> To: SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: Reno (was Re: What *was* the Tahoe?) cc: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:05:52 EST." <981123110552.2a200243(a)trailing-edge.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:19:01 -0800 From: Kirk McKusick <mckusick(a)mckusick.com> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk From: SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:05:52 -0500 To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Reno (was Re: What *was* the Tahoe?) Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au That's useful. The Tahoe-specific documentation also mentions the Harris HCX-7, the Unisys 7000/40, and ICL Clan 7 - were these in any way compatible with the Tahoe, or just "other" ports? And where does "Reno" come from, while we're at it? Tim. (shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com) The 4.3-Reno distribution was named after the city of that name in Nevada. We picked that name because the 4.3-Reno distribution was an interim release on the way to 4.4BSD and hence was not as fully polished or tested as our production releases. The idea was to remind recipients that it was more of a "gamble" to run Reno than our production releases. Kirk McKusick Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA13346 for pups-liszt; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:03:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13341 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:03:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05334 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:05:03 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199811242305.KAA05334(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Net2 Status: likely outcome To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:05:02 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I haven't heard back from SCO re the Net/2 status, but given that USL was sold to Novell & then to SCO, and they have copies of all the legal documents, I'm sure that SCO will quickly find out the details of the USL vs UCB settlement. Kirk has told me that the settlement explicitly stated that a set of files from Net/2 was not to be distributed, and that this set of files was not to be revealed: this was done to prevent a subset of Net/2 from being freely redistributed. CSRG made changes to about 70 files and deleted three files outright. Kirk is legally unable to reveal the list of affected files in Net/2. I've just had a poke around the SCCS files on CD#4 on the CSRG CD set. Several of the SCCS comments for the kernel files have the word USL in them: add USL's copyright notice changes for 4.4BSD-Lite requested by USL There's also a list of binary-only files in BSD/386 1.1 at http://www.bsdi.com/info/lawsuit/940208.update I assume, therefore, that it wouldn't be too hard to find out the set of files in Net/2 affected by the settlement. Therefore, once SCO reads through the legal documents (which they now own), I'd be pretty sure that they will still treat Net/2 as contaminated, and people will need a 32V license in some form in order to legally acquire a copy of the Net/2 tape. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA13502 for pups-liszt; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:54:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13497 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:54:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05513 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:56:10 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199811242356.KAA05513(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Also: PUPS digest mail list To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:56:09 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I should also say that there's a digest form of the PUPS/TUHS mail list which comes out twice weekly. If you'd rather be on that list, please send me some email. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13797 for pups-liszt; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:58:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13790 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:58:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05738 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:00:17 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199811250100.MAA05738(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Net/2: still at ftp.uu.net To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:00:17 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Just FYI, net/2 afficionados might care to look around in ftp://ftp.uu.net/systems/unix/bsd-sources I assume that they are in a legally dubious situation. Warren