Some PDP11 Q.. - TUHS

2 Mar 1998

Hi,
I was given an PDP-11/84 but I have no idea what OS it has installed.
It says this when it starts up:
        Testing in progress - Please wait
                 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
            starting system
.
__: ADA1: Load resident files
A.DU0: BOOT from @   526  fp ch Memory size 2048kBytes v06.12.413
                      VISONIK
              Building supervisory and managment system
              Landis & Gyr, Building Control
__: INI0:  Start of RSYS !
__:SU03: Update Common from SYSL !
__: SIX2: Dataset IM: Rebuild Index
__: SIX2: Dataset REA: Rebuild Index
__: SIX2: Dataset DM: Rebuild Index
__: MELD: Init STA-Pointer    43252
__: MELD: Init ZMS-Pointer    10774
It has controlled the ventilation system on a hospital of that can be of
any help.
Anyone knows what OS this could be?
And another thing. This machine had a Wangtek 5150EQ tape streamer. If I
look
at the cables it seems to be SCSI. And the controller for the streamer is
not manufactured
by DEC. (There's no DEC logo on it at least.)
It says B 01079 ISS.4 1984 CTS-11 CKK 3890 on the board. Is this a SCSI
controller board?
Can I connect SCSI disks to it or is it a streamer only interface?
There're some (bad quality) pictures of the board at
http://spektr.ludvika.se/museum/pics/pdp11-board1.jpg
There's a switch on the front of the CPU box that says "AUX ON | OFF".  And
on the back of
the PSU there's a switch that says "remote | off | local". What function do
they have?
Thanks!
--
Jorgen Pehrson
jp(a)spektr.ludvika.se
http://spektr.ludvika.se/museum
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:48:04 -0800 (PST)
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  I was given an PDP-11/84 but I have no idea what OS it
has installed.
 __: ADA1: Load resident files
 A.DU0: BOOT from @   526  fp ch Memory size 2048kBytes v06.12.413
 __: INI0:  Start of RSYS !
 __:SU03: Update Common from SYSL ! 
It looks like a version of RSTS/E to me (but that's mainly because I
know it isn't RT-11 or RSX-11...)
...
  And another thing. This machine had a Wangtek 5150EQ
tape streamer. If I
 look
 at the cables it seems to be SCSI. And the controller for the streamer is
 not manufactured
 by DEC. (There's no DEC logo on it at least.)
 It says B 01079 ISS.4 1984 CTS-11 CKK 3890 on the board. Is this a SCSI
 controller board? 
It's almost certainly a QIC-02 controller, probably doing TS11 emulation.
The sure way to test if its doing TS11 emulation or not is to drop into
console ODT and see if there's something living at the TS11 CSRs at
17772520.
...
  There's a switch on the front of the CPU box that
says "AUX ON | OFF".  And
 on the back of
 the PSU there's a switch that says "remote | off | local". What function
do
 they have? 
These control the 3-wire DEC power controller bus.
Warren may want to correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't non-Unix issues
like these best taken to forums such as vmsnet.pdp-11 and comp.os.rsts ?
Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
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Subject: Re: Full Steam Ahead with License
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:19 +1100 (EST)
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In article by Dion Johnson:
...
  I am going to give myself the go-ahead and not bother
those busy
 legal folks any more. 
Goodo.
...
  It looks like we may be able to permit credit cards
and Intl Money Orders.
 Are VISA and AMEX enough cards to support? I should know pretty soon on this. 
I suspect that would be fine.
...
   Someone asked
if a password-protected ftp site would be ok?
 I thought that it might contravene the license. What's your opinion? 
 As long as you know WHO has the password, that would be in accordance
 with the license, as I read it.
 -Dion 
That's excellent news, Dion. I'll cc this to the PUPS mailing list.
Thanks again,
        Warren
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On Tue,  3 March 1998 at 10:28:19 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
...
  In article by Dion Johnson:
  I am going to give myself the go-ahead and not
bother those busy
 legal folks any more. 
 Goodo. 
Great news!
...
   It looks like
we may be able to permit credit cards and Intl Money Orders.
 Are VISA and AMEX enough cards to support? I should know pretty soon on this. 
 I suspect that would be fine. 
I would think that you should add MasterCard to that list, possibly
instead of Amexco.
Where do we go from here?  Can we start to bombard you with
license applications?
Greg
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In article by Greg Lehey:
...
  > It looks
like we may be able to permit credit cards and Intl Money Orders. 
 I would think that you should add MasterCard to that list, possibly
 instead of Amexco.
 Where do we go from here?  Can we start to bombard [Dion] with
 license applications?
 Greg 
Dion sent me this suggestion:
        So I guess what we have is this:
        1. Prospective licensee gets the license from [PUPS] website.
        2. He signs and sends to SCO and sends his $100 to SF PO box.
        3. Someone here [at SCO] lets [PUPS] know that he is a licensee.
        4. [PUPS] can send him the source code  (and charge a fee for that
           as you see fit).
SCO wants the license on paper. I asked him for the final license in a
form suitable for printing, e.g PostScript, PDF, Word format (gasp!).
Greg's suggestion about MasterCard went to Dion as well. I guess we just
have to sit back & wait until we get the word (and the final license)
from Dion.
As soon as I have all the details, there will be a description of the
steps you need to perform in order to get a license placed on the PUPS
home page.
Cheers all,
        Warren
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Another suggestion - keep a list of the licencees on the PUPS website. That
way everyone would know who they could exchange software with. Most new
stuff would probably end up on the site anyway, but during development
it might be good to know.
Neil
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...
  Another suggestion - keep a list of the licencees on
the PUPS website. That
 way everyone would know who they could exchange software with. Most new
 stuff would probably end up on the site anyway, but during development
 it might be good to know. 
As most all of the "new stuff" lately seems to be 2.11BSD-related,
this brings up a (probably silly) question of mine: what's the
relationship between the SCO license agreement and 2.9, 2.10, and 2.11BSD?
Will the SCO license be functionally equivalent to a WE/AT&T source
license (other than the per-machine limitations)?  In other words,
are the 2BSD distributions "SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMS" in the language
of the agreement?
Another stupid question: few of us (perhaps I'm the only one) have
CD-ROM readers/writers attached to PDP-11's.  Will those who have to
transfer the source kit through a PC-clone or other Unix workstation
have to license the intermediary machines with SCO?  In other words,
will the intermediary machines need to be registered as "DESIGNATED
CPU"s?
Tim.
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In article by Tim Shoppa:
...
   Another
suggestion - keep a list of the licencees on the PUPS website. That
 way everyone would know who they could exchange software with. Most new
 stuff would probably end up on the site anyway, but during development
 it might be good to know. 
 As most all of the "new stuff" lately seems to be 2.11BSD-related,
 this brings up a (probably silly) question of mine: what's the
 relationship between the SCO license agreement and 2.9, 2.10, and 2.11BSD?
 Will the SCO license be functionally equivalent to a WE/AT&T source
 license (other than the per-machine limitations)?  In other words,
 are the 2BSD distributions "SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMS" in the language
 of the agreement? 
2BSDs are definitely SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMS as they are derived from
the listed products (6th, 7th Edition and 32V) and are 16-bit operating
systems.
...
  Another stupid question: few of us (perhaps I'm
the only one) have
 CD-ROM readers/writers attached to PDP-11's.  Will those who have to
 transfer the source kit through a PC-clone or other Unix workstation
 have to license the intermediary machines with SCO?  In other words,
 will the intermediary machines need to be registered as "DESIGNATED
 CPU"s? 
My interpretation is this:
        DESIGNATED CPU means all CPUs licensed as such for a specific
        SOURCE CODE PRODUCT.
        SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and
        nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE
        CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this Agreement, solely
        for personal use [..] and solely on or in conjunction with
        DESIGNATED CPUs [...]. Such right to use includes the right to
        modify such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT and to prepare DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT
        based on such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT,
In my opinion, you can't USE the source code unless you have a CPU which
run the machine code which is produced by the source code. I can't prepare
a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT if I don't have a PDP-11 or an emulator of such.
I'd better check with Dion.
        Warren
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In article by Neil Johnson:
...
  Another suggestion - keep a list of the licencees on
the PUPS website. That
 way everyone would know who they could exchange software with. Most new
 stuff would probably end up on the site anyway, but during development
 it might be good to know. 
This is a good idea, but I'd be happy for a licencee to opt out from the
list if they so desired.
        Warren
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Subject: PUPS Volunteers list
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:49:10 +1100 (EST)
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All,
        I've just created a SMALL mailing list for those people who have
volunteered to write CD-ROMs, cut tapes etc. so we can distribute the
software covered by the up-coming SCO source license.
If you had volunteered but didn't receive any email about it today, please
mail me back as I've missed you somehow.
Still waiting on Dion re the final license document and the questions
regarding Mastercard and `intermediate' CPUs.
Cheers all,
        Warren
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From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;
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Subject: From Dion: intermediate CPUs
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:21:10 +1100 (EST)
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----- Forwarded message from Dion Johnson -----
...
   Will those who
have to
 transfer the source kit through a PC-clone or other Unix workstation
 have to license the intermediary machines with SCO?  In other words,
 will the intermediary machines need to be registered as "DESIGNATED
 CPU"s? 
 I hope not!
        Warren 
Right, that makes no sense at all.  I suspect we (you and I) will
want to whip up a sort of cover letter for the license that
explains how to fill out the form and, as experience accumulates,
a FAQ, etc.
-Dion
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