14 Nov
2015
14 Nov
'15
12:48 a.m.
Hi,
does someone know where "u" is defined on SYSIII or V7?
sys/user.h states:
extern struct user u;
But I wonder where it is defined? On ZEUS I have u.o but I'm
not able to correctly disassemble it. Right now I'm guessing
that it should be something like:
u module
$segmented
$abs %F600
global
_u array [%572 byte]
end u
But the resulting object (u.o.hd) does not match 100% the existing
u.o on the system (u.o.orig.hd).
--- u.o.orig.hd 2008-05-16 21:52:12.000000000 +0200
+++ u.o.hd 2008-05-16 21:52:16.000000000 +0200
@@ -3,6 +3,6 @@
00000020 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
|................|
00000030 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1e 00 75 5f
|..............u_|
00000040 70 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 1e 01 75 5f 64 00
|p...........u_d.|
-00000050 00 00 00 00 3e 00 f6 00 61 3e 5f 75 00 00 00 00 |....>..a>_u....|
+00000050 00 00 00 00 01 00 f6 00 61 01 5f 75 00 00 00 00 |.......a._u....|
00000060 00 00 |..|
00000062
14 Nov
14 Nov
12:51 a.m.
On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Oliver Lehmann
<lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
Hi,
does someone know where "u" is defined on SYSIII or V7?
sys/user.h states:
extern struct user u;
But I wonder where it is defined? On ZEUS I have u.o but I'm
not able to correctly disassemble it. Right now I'm guessing
that it should be something like:
In Version 7 it’s in /usr/sys/h/user.h
1:12 a.m.
Ronald Natalie <ron(a)ronnatalie.com> wrote:
There is the definition of the user struct and the declaration of
"u" as _external_ variable. I'm looking for the place where u is
"implemented". Without a definition of "u" somewhere _u will caus
a symbol undefined error.
On Nov 13,
2015, at 1:48 PM, Oliver Lehmann <lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
Hi,
does someone know where "u" is defined on SYSIII or V7?
sys/user.h states:
extern struct user u;
But I wonder where it is defined? On ZEUS I have u.o but I'm
not able to correctly disassemble it. Right now I'm guessing
that it should be something like:
In Version 7 it’s in /usr/sys/h/user.h
1:15 a.m.
Someone “sanitized” your include directory.
Take a look here in the browsable
archives...http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/include/…
<http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/include/sys/user.h>
On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Oliver Lehmann
<lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
Ronald Natalie <ron(a)ronnatalie.com> wrote:
There is the definition of the user struct and the declaration of
"u" as _external_ variable. I'm looking for the place where u is
"implemented". Without a definition of "u" somewhere _u will caus
a symbol undefined error.
On Nov
13, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Oliver Lehmann <lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
Hi,
does someone know where "u" is defined on SYSIII or V7?
sys/user.h states:
extern struct user u;
But I wonder where it is defined? On ZEUS I have u.o but I'm
not able to correctly disassemble it. Right now I'm guessing
that it should be something like:
In Version 7 it’s in /usr/sys/h/user.h
1:27 a.m.
Ronald Natalie <ron(a)ronnatalie.com> wrote:
Someone “sanitized” your include directory.
Take a look here in the browsable
archives...http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/include/…
Where do you see u defined? I only see it declared as external:
extern struct user u;
You need one single global u definition (memory reservation) so all
sources accessing u accessing the same struct, don't you? At least
this is what I have here and there is also the memory adress in my
param.h:
# define UBASE 0x3E00F600 /* kernel virtual addr of
user struct */
This is where "u" is located on my system.
2:16 a.m.
I can’t say how the Z8000 wants to implement it. On the PDP11, the _u variable is set to
the absolute 140000. This isn’t really an “allocation.” It’s just the base of one of
the kernel address segments. The kernel maps the per process data area (essentially the
user structure and the kernel stack) there. It’s just allocated as a hunk of usize
memory (usize is in 64 byte chunks on the PDP). The code one is “not expected to
understand” handles this context switch. In fact, the user structure is only ever
“initialized” for the first process (init). After that fork just copies it from the
parent to the child and then all the other system calls, etc… change it as required.
Gosh it’s been a long time since I was this deep into a UNIX kernel (especially on a
primitive machine).
Hope this helps.
1:33 a.m.
Oliver Lehmann <lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
u module
$segmented
$abs %F600
global
_u array [%572 byte]
end u
By any way - is here someone on the list understanding Z8000 PLZ/ASM? ;)
The problem is, that "u" must be available in the address space on this
location for the kernel to function correctly:
# define UBASE 0x3E00F600 /* kernel virtual addr of
user struct */
And with the above ASM code, it is placed on 0x0100F600. I also tried
of course $abs 0x3E00F600 but it makes no difference. It is always
placed at 0x0100F600 and I have zero clue why
the original object from the system:
#67 nm /usr/sys/conf/u.o
3e00f600 A _u
01000000 s u_d
0000 s u_p
my object generated from my u.s:
#68 nm u.o
0100f600 A _u
01000000 s u_d
0000 s u_p
Somehow I need to get the address right.... This is why I wanted to
look up how the original SYSIII or V7 was doing it (even if the asm
would be of course completely different).
2:07 a.m.
Hi,
I found out so far, that %3e00.... means, that the data is put on
segment 62 (0x3e). Regarding to the Z8000 ASM handbook, segmented
adresses are notated as <<segment>>offset, so in my case
<<62>>%F600 - but of course it does not work and the assembler
yields and error :(
Oliver Lehmann <lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
Oliver Lehmann <lehmann(a)ans-netz.de> wrote:
u module
$segmented
$abs %F600
global
_u array [%572 byte]
end u
By any way - is here someone on the list understanding Z8000 PLZ/ASM? ;)
The problem is, that "u" must be available in the address space on this
location for the kernel to function correctly:
# define UBASE 0x3E00F600 /* kernel virtual addr of
user struct */
And with the above ASM code, it is placed on 0x0100F600. I also tried
of course $abs 0x3E00F600 but it makes no difference. It is always
placed at 0x0100F600 and I have zero clue why
the original object from the system:
#67 nm /usr/sys/conf/u.o
3e00f600 A _u
01000000 s u_d
0000 s u_p
my object generated from my u.s:
#68 nm u.o
0100f600 A _u
01000000 s u_d
0000 s u_p
Somehow I need to get the address right.... This is why I wanted to
look up how the original SYSIII or V7 was doing it (even if the asm
would be of course completely different).
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