Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> wrote: OK, I dunno whether it qualifies as "the holy grail" or not, but yes, it is the 4.4BSD-Alpha dist. OK, just upload both if you can, I'll be happy to put them in the archive and I'm sure Warren will be too. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA84892 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:42:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sam.on-net.net (sam.on-net.net [204.117.190.8]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA84888 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:42:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jasomill(a)shaffstall.com) Received: from guildenstern.shaffstall.com (cisdn-2 [206.229.84.2]) by sam.on-net.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05790 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:37:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:31:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason T. Miller" <jasomill(a)shaffstall.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: RX50 vocoder timing; FreeBSD kernel woes Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10006161046320.22889-100000(a)guildenstern.shaffstall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Sorry in advance if you unintentionally deleted this message because of the topic, I'm an incorrigable smart-arse and couldn't resist. My other idea was ILOVEYOU, but that's been done before... The initiator of this post was yours truly. I have been silet since this post. I hate politics. I figured, "just let it simmer down and then rationally respond." I hate flamefesten. Sorry. Can't please everybody all the time. Hey, I don't even try, most of the time. I find that sitting on the fence can be quite an uncomfortable position to be in, especially if you're on one of the fenceposts. But, wie immer, I digress. I didn't mean to crowd your (that is, the royal "your") mailbox with my hardware woes. I had some issues, directly related to my _usage_ of PDP-11 UNIX, and, insofar as both the mentioned PDP-11 mailing list and the DECUS PDP-11 list on eisner.decus.org are both ghost towns, and several members of this mailing list seem to know quite a bit about both the hardware platform and the software I choose to run (2.11BSD), I dreamt of things that never were and said "why not." Thanks to the knowledge of fellow list-members, my questions were answered, my problem was solved, and the result is now available in the PUPS archive under Tools/Disks/rx50-FreeBSD.tar.gz (no comments on code quality to the group, please; that would be off-topic [read: embarassing] :) Qs and Cs to jasomill(a)indiana.edu welcome), which is useful to me and may possibly be of some interest to other PDP-11 UNIX hobbyists trying to solve the same problem. I read the entire PUPS mailing list archive before making my first post. I've noticed that the top three platform-specific topics seem to be (in order of appearance): 1) emulator software 2) VAX hardware 3) PDP hardware I don't use an emulator and I don't have a VAX (though I want one very very much, but admittably to run VMS mostly), but the discussions don't bother me. As a matter of fact, some of them interest me; those that don't, I skip. Anyway, just an observation. I know it's not the PHPS, but I can not be dissuaded in my belief that actually _using_ the systems is a vital part of a living preservation effort, and using them without functional hardware is a bit difficult, emulators notwithstanding. But please don't deactivate me :), I'll read a UHS list and a PUPS list and a VAX list and an RT-PC list (I've been wanting to get my hands on one of those buggers for awhile, actually), desirous of everything at the same time, and try my best not to yawn and say commonplace things (apologizes to Jack Kerouac). Thanks again for help and interesting discussion, to all parties involved, mad to talk or less so. What about archiving PDP hardware information? I don't mean discussing obscure timing details of RK05 controllers or anything, but having a section of the archive for random hardware tidbits re: PDP. It's not _directly_ related to UNIX preservation, but it'd be a boon to PDP UNIX users (not to mention keeping list traffic down in re: these things), and its space requirements are miniscule. Maybe wait until the PDP-specific stuff is split off, and create a directory. I'd be happy to maintain it (I'm also attempting to contact DEC ne Compaq about getting some legacy docs released; those, of course, would be included; no, that's not what Mentec bought, I don't think, that's RSX and RSTS/E and RT-11, maybe even Ultrix. They provide engineering support to DEC PDP-11 customers as well as compatible hardware, but I believe Compaq still owns the copyrights to the Digital hardware documentation. Not 100% sure though). Once again, sorry, once again, thanks, and in closing, AWWWW, jasomill Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA87825 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:14:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root(a)nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA87821 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:14:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root(a)trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA58858 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien(a)dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA67489 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:11:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien(a)NUXI.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-Alpha Message-ID: <20000616121128.A35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien(a)NUXI.com References: <0006161444.AA00776(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <0006161444.AA00776(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG>; from msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 09:44:07AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk It may have already been discussed before, but here is the list of distirbutions on McKusick's "The CSRG Archives" 4-CD set: 1BSD, 2BSD, 3BSD, 2.9pucc, 2.10, 2.79, 2.8, 2.9, 4.0, 4.1, 4.1a, 4.1c.1, 4.1c.2, 4.1.snap, 4.2, 4.3, VM.snapshot.1, VM.snapshot.2, 4.3Tahoe, 4.3Reno, Net/1, Net/2, 4.4, 4.4-Lite1, 4.4-Lite2, and /usr/src SCCS files. -- -- David (obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA87954 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:31:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au)