A somewhat different view on the Starbucks story: A friend of mine moved here from New Mexico (which is a fantastic place to live, amazing, I used to live there) and she said "It's unbelievable - you can watch people and realize that they are actually thinking before they are talking". Indeed. I'd rather be in the midst of rude people thinking than any sort of people not thinking. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com