The NetBSD source repository has not changed source control systems since project inception - we're still using CVS, and the whole thing can be browsed at anoncvs.netbsd.org. A bunch of stuff is now "in the attic" (nominally "deleted" from the repository, but so far as I know that just means it's not fetched by default with an unadorned "get" command - it's still in the repository archive). The history you're looking to collect is available for copy any time.

Jacob Goense <dugo(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: |On 2015-05-19 12:04, Erik E. Fair wrote: |> The NetBSD source repository has not changed source control systems |> since project inception - we're still using CVS, and the whole thing |> can be browsed at anoncvs.netbsd.org. A bunch of stuff is now "in the |> attic" (nominally "deleted" from the repository, but so far as I know |> that just means it's not fetched by default with an unadorned "get" |> command - it's still in the repository archive). |> |> The history you're looking to collect is available for copy any time. | |There is a pile of "revision #.# intentionally removed" in there. See |http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html?page=2 |for Hannum's story behind it. | |Deadly quote "and nobody cares about that early code history any more |--so this is all water under the bridge." | |They are available in a manilla folder through a coughing man in a |raincoat if you know in which parking garage you have to look. Not |sure what the consequences are if they appear as a pull request for |dspinellis's truly awesome unix-history-repo. I also thought that was bad advise – Jörg Sonnenberger of NetBSD converted the repository to Fossil. I have lost that address; he automatically converts _that_ to git(1) on github [1], which i track myself, however. Note that he is the one who is developing the used converter, and that in turn had some errors in the past, resulting in history to become invalid. That didn't happen for quite a while now (afaik!) but since it was very weird about two years ago and occasionally happened still last year one possibly should ask him before integrating all those millions of objects into such a large repository. [1] https://github.com/jsonn/src --steffen _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

FreeBSD was never a fork of NetBSD. OpenBSD was a later fork of NetBSD. FreeBSD and NetBSD both forked from the patch kits that were produced for the 386BSD project.

That said, I run the MacOS Unix flavor on my desk (and my wife, and each child), FreeBSD & OpenBSD on my servers at home, but progam Linux for my job these days.

Clem Cole scripsit: The Hannum interview says that portability wasn't the focus in the *very* beginning, and that getting NetBSD running on different architectures was because they had a lot of different architectures around. So it was making a virtue of what started out as necessity.

This leaves a long dark period between 32V and 2005. It'd therefore prefer to wait, until we can get System V and early versions of SunOS available under some type of open source license.

​HP/UX is an SVR3 & OSF/1 ancester. Solaris is SVR4. In fact it was the SVR4 license and deal between Sun and AT&T)​ that forced the whole OSF creation. One of the "principles" of the OSF was "Fair and Stable" license terms. Which begs a question - since Solaris was SVR4 based and was made freely available via OpenSolaris et al, does that not make SVR4 open? I'm not a lawyer (nor play one on TV), but it does seem like that sets some sort of precedent.

I never took those kinds of notes. We certainly talked about it and we used to have know who had what at Locus since all of the majors were our customers and we had to be very, very careful to not cross pollinate. Sometimes we would do specific work in different offices, just to make the firewall easier to manage. For instance the Ultrix and Tru64 work we did for DEC, as well as the HP work was done in Boston. Most of the IBM work was done in the LA office, and Intel work was led in San Diego. There was a time when I had the release schedules of DEC, IBM, HP and Sun taped the wall behind my desk, because we had teams delivering things to all 4 of them. That said, if you talked to one of the UNIX press of the old days, like the old "UNIXgram/X" folks, you could put together the chronology. However, I don't know that any of that is on line anywhere to search. But that would be the documentation I would look if I was a lawyer trying to demonstrate who did what in what order. Some of those folks are still around and writing, I saw something from Timothy Pickering Morgan just yesterday talking about Linux and I see some of the other names pop up in the blogs and journals at different times. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jacob Ritorto &lt;jacob.ritorto(a)gmail.com <mailto:jacob.ritorto@gmail.com>> wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Clem Cole &lt;clemc(a)ccc.com <mailto:clemc@ccc.com>> wrote: ​ HP/UX is an SVR3 & OSF/1 ancester. Solaris is SVR4. In fact it was the SVR4 license and deal between Sun and AT&T)​ that forced the whole OSF creation. One of the "principles" of the OSF was "Fair and Stable" license terms. Which begs a question - since Solaris was SVR4 based and was made freely available via OpenSolaris et al, does that not make SVR4 open? I'm not a lawyer (nor play one on TV), but it does seem like that sets some sort of precedent. I hope not to hijack the thread, but those are interesting tidbits of info, there, Clem. Are these strategic license moves chronicled anywhere at the moment? It'd be interesting to read exactly who sued whom, who asked for permission vs. who begged for forgiveness, etc. thx jake _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

Is the original SVR4 around somewhere (even if still considered trade secret or copyrighted?)

I'm getting ready to have my collection of 9 track magtapes recovered, (Sydex sounds very reasonable) and I find I have 5 AT&T SVR4 tapes among them (all different, I think, but I won't know until I read them.) They are labeled Proprietary and Copyright, and I claim no special rights to them other than as an ex AT&T employee.

Is it worth recovering them?

Mary Ann

Mary Ann Horton &lt;mah(a)mhorton.net&gt; wrote: I found this several years ago. Not sure who posted it. https://archive.org/details/ATTUNIXSystemVRelease4Version2 scot

I was wondering if you were planning on adding any of the Solaris stuff ( I managed to get one source release of open Solaris before Oracle bought out sun ) or Darwin? Unfortunately, I don't seem to have the Darwin source anymore..