31 Jul
2015
31 Jul
'15
11:23 p.m.
Ah hah! My stray memory of `Not War?' must date from my TOPS-10 days.
I can't find a trace of the string `love' anywhere in any of the make
sources in Kirk's multi-CD compendium of historic BSD, so it certainly
can't have been from there.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
1 Aug
1 Aug
3:05 a.m.
New subject: Make love
On Jul 31, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Norman Wilson
<norman(a)oclsc.org> wrote:
Ah hah! My stray memory of `Not War?' must date from my TOPS-10 days.
I can't find a trace of the string `love' anywhere in any of the make
sources in Kirk's multi-CD compendium of historic BSD, so it certainly
can't have been from there.
I know for sure my make love memories come from RSTS/E 7.2 running
TECO on a PDP-11/23 back in ’82 or ’83. I’d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that’d been scrubbed by the same people that scrubbed
‘you can tune a file system, but you can’t tuna fish’ from tunfs(8).
Warner
5:48 a.m.
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Warner Losh scripsit:
the same people that scrubbed
‘you can tune a file system, but you can’t tuna fish’ from tunfs(8).
That would be some humorless git at Sun during the run-up to Solaris.
Luckily we are now protected against a recurrence by this warning in
the man page source:
.\" Take this out and a Unix Daemon will dog your steps from now until
.\" the time_t's wrap around.
And in the 64-bit world, that's a loooooooooooooooooooong time.
Someone should file a patch to restore warning and joke to illumos.
--
John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan(a)ccil.org
Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc,
informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
--Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown)
9:48 a.m.
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On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 07:48:25PM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
Warner Losh scripsit:
I was wondering if that would come up. I'm the guy that put that comment
in the man page source. Then they took it out. Losers.
I am not the guy who wrote you can tune a file system but you can't
tuna fish, I believe that was Kirk.
--lm
P.S. Can't believe I'm claiming credit for a comment in a man page. I
need to get a life.
the same people that scrubbed
???you can tune a file system, but you can???t tuna fish??? from tunfs(8).
That would be some humorless git at Sun during the run-up to Solaris.
Luckily we are now protected against a recurrence by this warning in
the man page source:
.\" Take this out and a Unix Daemon will dog your steps from now until
.\" the time_t's wrap around.
And in the 64-bit world, that's a loooooooooooooooooooong time.
Someone should file a patch to restore warning and joke to illumos. 
8:42 a.m.
New subject: Make love
Early Unix had a lot of cryptic messages -- the infamous "eh?", and "very
funny!" were two that I got several times. The make love message in the
earliest make I remember was "Don't know how to make love."
When working on PCC, I had the unenviable job of producing a C compiler
that would accept all of *077532 = 13, 077532->ack = 13, and device->ack
= 13. As we were trying to get the kernel and applications to declare
addresses more "honestly", we adopted a rule that if you actually used a
structure reference that was type safe, we would require it everywhere in
the file. Since structure members used to be in a single namespace, this
led to some horribly complicated code. In an effort to get it to work, I
festooned it with consistency checks nearly every other line, getting more
and more punchy as I tried to come up with short, unique messages.
I'll never forget the look on Ken's face when he came to me and asked
"what is a 'gummy structure'?"
Nowadays, while I'm happy to have some fun with them, I think throwing
humor at people who have just screwed up is playing to a tough audience.
Today, I might have suggested that 'make love' produce something more like
"Don't know how to make love. Can you introduce me to a hot makefile?"
2 Aug
2 Aug
7:35 a.m.
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Oh, I remember "Very funny!" It was pr, V6, I think.
I wanted to format for a 132 wide printer and I mistakenly typed "pr
-132 file" instead of "pr -w132 file". It thought I wanted it formatted
in 132 columns of text.
I about tore my hair out trying to figure out what "Very funny!" meant.
On 07/31/2015 07:42 PM, scj(a)yaccman.com wrote:
Early Unix had a lot of cryptic messages -- the
infamous "eh?", and "very
funny!" were two that I got several times. The make love message in the
earliest make I remember was "Don't know how to make love."
When working on PCC, I had the unenviable job of producing a C compiler
that would accept all of *077532 = 13, 077532->ack = 13, and device->ack
= 13. As we were trying to get the kernel and applications to declare
addresses more "honestly", we adopted a rule that if you actually used a
structure reference that was type safe, we would require it everywhere in
the file. Since structure members used to be in a single namespace, this
led to some horribly complicated code. In an effort to get it to work, I
festooned it with consistency checks nearly every other line, getting more
and more punchy as I tried to come up with short, unique messages.
I'll never forget the look on Ken's face when he came to me and asked
"what is a 'gummy structure'?"
Nowadays, while I'm happy to have some fun with them, I think throwing
humor at people who have just screwed up is playing to a tough audience.
Today, I might have suggested that 'make love' produce something more like
"Don't know how to make love. Can you introduce me to a hot makefile?"
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3:45 p.m.
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Steve Johnson wrote:
Nowadays, while I'm happy to have some fun with
them, I think throwing
humor at people who have just screwed up is playing to a tough audience.
I think you're right. Especially, anyone who's dealing with the nearly
indecipherable messages coming out today's C++ compilers is likely to
be in no mood for snarky messages from his/her tools.
I recall that these things were much funnier when I was younger (college /
grad school).
Arnold
10 Aug
10 Aug
11:51 p.m.
New subject: Make love
At least the Unix messages were silent. I remember one Unix clone that
programmed sounds of an explosion when the system crashed. Users did NOT
find that funny...
Last week I was attending a lecture in the Sierras where there was no
Internet, taking notes on my iPhone. I had it in airplane mode with "Do
not Disturb" on and had Siri configured to talk only when in handsfree
mode. Nevertheless, a careless double press of the round button told
everyone attending the talk "Siri is unable to find the internet!"
I would a preferred a printed "eh?"
Steve
Steve Johnson wrote:
Nowadays, while I'm happy to have some fun
with them, I think throwing
humor at people who have just screwed up is playing to a tough audience.
I think you're right. Especially, anyone who's dealing with the nearly
indecipherable messages coming out today's C++ compilers is likely to
be in no mood for snarky messages from his/her tools.
I recall that these things were much funnier when I was younger (college /
grad school).
Arnold
1 Aug
1 Aug
9:20 a.m.
New subject: Make love
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Warner Losh wrote:
I know for sure my make love memories come from RSTS/E
7.2 running TECO
on a PDP-11/23 back in ’82 or ’83. I’d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that’d been scrubbed by the same people that
scrubbed
Ah, TECO... Type your name into it to see what it does.
‘you can tune a file system, but you can’t tuna fish’
from tunfs(8).
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
And please, no EMACS (editor too large)...
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
Watson never said: "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
9:36 a.m.
New subject: Make love
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015, Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Warner Losh wrote:
EIEIO (computer bought the farm)? </gnu>
-uso.
I know for sure my make love memories come from
RSTS/E 7.2 running TECO
on a PDP-11/23 back in ’82 or ’83. I’d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that’d been scrubbed by the same people that
scrubbed
Ah, TECO... Type your name into it to see what it does.
‘you can tune a file system, but you can’t tuna
fish’ from tunfs(8).
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
And please, no EMACS (editor too large)...
5:19 p.m.
New subject: Make love
5:28 p.m.
New subject: Make love
Horrid me, replying to my own post
On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:19 AM, Milo Velimirovic
<milov(a)cs.uwlax.edu> wrote:
EIEIO (computer bought the farm)? </gnu>
Obscure side note: PowerPC includes an EIEIO instruction, Ensure In-Order Execution of
I/O. [1]
I must be getting old, thinking thinking of Ensure; s/sure/force/
- Milo
[1]
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_aix_61/com.ibm.aix.alang…
<https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_aix_61/com.ibm.aix.alangref/idalangref_eieio_instrs.htm>
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On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 01:20:14PM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Warner Losh wrote:
EMACS = Eight megs and constantly swapping. That's how I heard it. And
that was in the the days of 4MB Sun machines, if you had 8, holy shit,
that was cool!
Am I the only guy who looks at 32GB (gigabyte!!!) USB sticks and shakes
his head in amazement? Modern processors have more L3 *cache* than Sun
workstations had memory.
I know for sure my make love memories come from
RSTS/E 7.2 running TECO
on a PDP-11/23 back in ???82 or ???83. I???d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that???d been scrubbed by the same people that
scrubbed
Ah, TECO... Type your name into it to see what it does.
???you can tune a file system, but you can???t
tuna fish??? from tunfs(8).
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
And please, no EMACS (editor too large)...
10:53 a.m.
New subject: Make love
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Larry McVoy wrote:
EMACS = Eight megs and constantly swapping.
That's how I heard it. And
that was in the the days of 4MB Sun machines, if you had 8, holy shit,
that was cool!
Am I the only guy who looks at 32GB (gigabyte!!!) USB sticks and shakes
his head in amazement? Modern processors have more L3 *cache* than Sun
workstations had memory.
Nah.
Because of memory improvements I came up with a less dated-sounding
variation of that expansion: EMACS - Enough Memory? A Concept Strange! -
a few years back.
-uso.
11:02 p.m.
New subject: Make love
And just think what's people are going to think once the new intel crystal ridge
technology is in new systems.
BTW just to compare the TLB on the original IBM mainframe that supported virtual memory
(360/67) of the late 1960's/ early '70s had 8 slots of 32 bits each.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Larry McVoy
<lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 01:20:14PM +1000, Dave
Horsfall wrote:
EMACS = Eight megs and constantly swapping. That's how I heard it. And
that was in the the days of 4MB Sun machines, if you had 8, holy shit,
that was cool!
Am I the only guy who looks at 32GB (gigabyte!!!) USB sticks and shakes
his head in amazement? Modern processors have more L3 *cache* than Sun
workstations had memory.
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https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Warner Losh wrote:
I know for sure my make love memories come from RSTS/E 7.2 running TECO
on a PDP-11/23 back in ???82 or ???83. I???d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that???d been scrubbed by the same people that
scrubbed
Ah, TECO... Type your name into it to see what it does.
???you can tune a file system, but you can???t
tuna fish??? from tunfs(8).
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
And please, no EMACS (editor too large)...
11:04 p.m.
New subject: Make love
MULTICS - Many Unbelievably Large Tables In Core Simultaneously
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Larry McVoy
<lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 01:20:14PM +1000, Dave
Horsfall wrote:
EMACS = Eight megs and constantly swapping. That's how I heard it. And
that was in the the days of 4MB Sun machines, if you had 8, holy shit,
that was cool!
Am I the only guy who looks at 32GB (gigabyte!!!) USB sticks and shakes
his head in amazement? Modern processors have more L3 *cache* than Sun
workstations had memory.
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https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Warner Losh wrote:
I know for sure my make love memories come from RSTS/E 7.2 running TECO
on a PDP-11/23 back in ???82 or ???83. I???d somehow gotten it into my head
that it was a BSD thing that???d been scrubbed by the same people that
scrubbed
Ah, TECO... Type your name into it to see what it does.
???you can tune a file system, but you can???t
tuna fish??? from tunfs(8).
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
And please, no EMACS (editor too large)... 
5:16 p.m.
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I always liked ELECTROLUX - Your code needs cleaning up.
On Aug 1, 2015, at 3:21 AM, Warner Losh
<imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Jul 31, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
One of the world's best messages; it's right up there with ENOBALLS
(Unable to reproduce).
FreeBSD has EDOOFUS for ‘horrible programmer error’
Warner
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