15 Jun
2020
15 Jun
'20
4:26 a.m.
less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
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I am very happy with p.
Doug
15 Jun
15 Jun
4:41 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
% wc p.c
90 219 1504 p.c
less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
242 1331 12202 
4:55 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
I believe that was my statement, not Dougs, and I stand behind it.
Less was a huge improvement. If you want me to dig out why I will
but I don't want to because it will make you look bad, that is not
my goal.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 07:41:27PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
% wc p.c
90 219 1504 p.c
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
242 1331 12202 
6:26 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
Yeah, p is all we need. I think it originated with td at UofT. I might have
brought it with me to Bell Labs, or recreated it. Probably the former. The
Plan 9 version is, except for a change of I/O library, likely the same
code. 90 lines of C.
More and less are both more and less than p.
-rob
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:56 PM Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
I believe that was my statement, not Dougs, and I
stand behind it.
Less was a huge improvement. If you want me to dig out why I will
but I don't want to because it will make you look bad, that is not
my goal.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 07:41:27PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
% wc p.c
90 219 1504 p.c
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com
http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
242 1331 12202
6:27 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
No one is beating you up for your opinion. One should be able to
express alternate points of view without being made to look bad.
But let us face it, less is not only more, it is far too much :-) Less
gone wild.
@ Fortune Yost had added page mode as a line discipline. That
would've avoided the temptation to turn less into a mini editor.
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Larry McVoy
<lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
I believe that was my statement, not Dougs, and I stand behind it.
Less was a huge improvement. If you want me to dig out why I will
but I don't want to because it will make you look bad, that is not
my goal.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 07:41:27PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
% wc p.c
90 219 1504 p.c
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
242 1331 12202 
6:38 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
I get two hits in this, aside from the bikeshed of 'what is the status
line telling me about things I am looking at' which is a disease Emacs
has.
1) I use more, and the screen DOESNT clear when I finish. DOH!
2) I use less, and the screen DOES clear when I finish. DOH!
I kind of tend to 1. The 'clear' command works at a tty to flush
screen so for me, noting backwards scroll, less is 'more; clear'
But backwards scroll has been useful to me. Oh I know, I have
scrollbars on the terminal. But still. I don't like having to engage
the mouse for this stuff. I want commands, modal or otherwise to do
things which go to 'where am I, in the buffer'
Both are wildly complex. Who knew tail on a log was something
integrated into a pager? (I think it is for less. I don't think more
has that)
-G
9:40 a.m.
New subject: Origins and life of the pg pager
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On 6/14/20, Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
I believe that was my statement, not Dougs, and I
stand behind it.
Less was a huge improvement. If you want me to dig out why I will
but I don't want to because it will make you look bad, that is not
my goal.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 07:41:27PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
% wc p.c
90 219 1504 p.c
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com
http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
less(1) was actually an improvement
Hmm. Less is my favorite whipping boy for featuritis.
% less --help |wc
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