27 May
2009
27 May
'09
5:45 a.m.
I was wondering if anyone had access to any SYSV for the VAX and could
say what levels support TCP/IP?
I put in a request at http://www.novell.com/licensing/ntap/legal.html
to see if they are even entertaining the sale of SYSV licenses... But
I kind of figure they don't have the actual material itself....
I know A/UX a SYSVr2.2 had TCP/IP but I don't know if it was in the
AT&T base, or if it was something that UniSoft had added...
Anyways thanks for any/all responses....
Oh and FWIW I've gotten a super minimal SYSIII thing booting on SIMH!
I've just have to work out some more disk formatting/restoring as the
root partition sizes don't agree between 32v & SYSIII....
Jason
27 May
27 May
5:48 a.m.
I added TCP/IP to SCO which is some sort of sys v thing (I think, it's
been a lot of years). I think Lachman (where I was working at the
time) did a lot of streams based TCP/IP, they may have done one for
the vax.
But why would you want it? It was a steaming pile of sh*t.
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:45:19PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had access to any SYSV for
the VAX and could
say what levels support TCP/IP?
I put in a request at http://www.novell.com/licensing/ntap/legal.html
to see if they are even entertaining the sale of SYSV licenses... But
I kind of figure they don't have the actual material itself....
I know A/UX a SYSVr2.2 had TCP/IP but I don't know if it was in the
AT&T base, or if it was something that UniSoft had added...
Anyways thanks for any/all responses....
Oh and FWIW I've gotten a super minimal SYSIII thing booting on SIMH!
I've just have to work out some more disk formatting/restoring as the
root partition sizes don't agree between 32v & SYSIII....
Jason
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5:57 a.m.
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Larry McVoy <lm(a)bitmover.com> wrote:
I added TCP/IP to SCO which is some sort of sys v
thing (I think, it's
been a lot of years). I think Lachman (where I was working at the
time) did a lot of streams based TCP/IP, they may have done one for
the vax.
I've seen lots of sco stuff say it's SYSV... like Xenix 2.3.4 ... So I
guess it's not outside of that realm. It's too bad SCO never did
bundle the dev kit & networking or that Linux thing probably never
would have gained commercial traction.. but then that's just my wild
guess.
But why would you want it? It was a steaming pile of sh*t.
Morbid curiosity I guess... seeing as it's basically all but dead. I
guess the SYSV stuff we ran on the 3B2's was more modern, and 'usable'
just as SYSVr3 (AIX) certainly was/is.
That and it's been cool slowly getting SYSIII to go so in a way I
wanted to line up the last Bell UNIX, SYSV to be able to run it on
SIMH... It certainly wouldn't be for anything 'production' grade, but
I guess it was this, or spend more time with 386BSD on Bochs......
Anyways I just got my first callback from Novell, and they are
forwarding it to the "linux team" for clarification on what on earth
SYSV even is...
5:59 a.m.
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:57:01PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
The 3b2's were ok. I liked the ATT Unix PC, 3b1 (?). My roomate and
I in college both bought those and did a lot of hacking on them.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Larry McVoy
<lm(a)bitmover.com> wrote:
I doubt it - we (bitkeeper folks) still support sco and it sucks. It's
like time stood still and nothing was added.
I added TCP/IP to SCO which is some sort of sys v
thing (I think, it's
been a lot of years). I think Lachman (where I was working at the
time) did a lot of streams based TCP/IP, they may have done one for
the vax.
I've seen lots of sco stuff say it's SYSV... like Xenix 2.3.4 ... So I
guess it's not outside of that realm. It's too bad SCO never did
bundle the dev kit & networking or that Linux thing probably never
would have gained commercial traction.. but then that's just my wild
guess. But why would
you want it? It was a steaming pile of sh*t.
Morbid curiosity I guess... seeing as it's basically all but dead. I
guess the SYSV stuff we ran on the 3B2's was more modern, and 'usable'
just as SYSVr3 (AIX) certainly was/is.
6:10 a.m.
I doubt it - we (bitkeeper folks) still support sco
and it sucks. It's
like time stood still and nothing was added.
I guess so... then I was just looking on google, SYSVR4 was released
in 1988. It's kind of sad to think NOTHING signifigant happened in
the last 20 1/2 years, and that 1988 was the pinical of UNIX... It
seems the last people pushing UNIX was SUN, but I still haven't heard
what Oracle will do with Solaris 10... Then again, it's probably just
as well it's been opened up as it may as well die....
Oh well I'll wait for Novell to say what they are going to say... I'm
guessing either "its not for sale at any price", or "$1,000,000 per
cpu".... and probably the not for sale option would be about right.
But why would you want it? It was a steaming pile of
sh*t.
Morbid curiosity I guess... seeing as it's basically all but dead. I
guess the SYSV stuff we ran on the 3B2's was more modern, and 'usable'
just as SYSVr3 (AIX) certainly was/is. 
9:06 a.m.
Jason Stevens scripsit:
I guess so... then I was just looking on google,
SYSVR4 was released
in 1988. It's kind of sad to think NOTHING signifigant happened in
the last 20 1/2 years, and that 1988 was the pinical of UNIX...
"UNIX" is no longer the name of a codebase. Technically, it is the name
of a set of standards; in practice, it (usually written "Unix") is the
name of an evolving design tradition.
--
John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
One time I called in to the central system and started working on a big
thick 'sed' and 'awk' heavy duty data bashing script. One of the
geologists
came by, looked over my shoulder and said 'Oh, that happens to me too.
Try hanging up and phoning in again.' --Beverly Erlebacher
9:35 a.m.
When did it go from UNIX to Unix? Then again the whole "The Open
Group" makes less then no sense to me... I have to laugh when
something that is clearly a UNIX (say 32v) can't be called UNIX
because the rights were sold out from underneath it...
But then I'm not a lawyer so the law makes little or no sense to me.
Then again the whole 'standards' thing reminds me of iBCS2... nice
idea, but too bad GNU didn't supported it worth a damn, besides
Microsoft of all people.... Or maybe that's precisely why it died. Or
if anyone can point me in a direction to build iBCS2 stuff with
binutils/gcc I'm all ears.
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM, John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> wrote:
Jason Stevens scripsit:
I guess so... then I was just looking on google,
SYSVR4 was released
in 1988. It's kind of sad to think NOTHING signifigant happened in
the last 20 1/2 years, and that 1988 was the pinical of UNIX...
"UNIX" is no longer the name of a codebase. Technically, it is the name
of a set of standards; in practice, it (usually written "Unix") is the
name of an evolving design tradition.
--
John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
One time I called in to the central system and started working on a big
thick 'sed' and 'awk' heavy duty data bashing script. One of the
geologists
came by, looked over my shoulder and said 'Oh, that happens to me too.
Try hanging up and phoning in again.' --Beverly Erlebacher
10:05 a.m.
In message: <46b366130905262035i18855ba6pc22447fc1e4f4e42(a)mail.gmail.com>
Jason Stevens <neozeed(a)gmail.com> writes:
: Microsoft of all people.... Or maybe that's precisely why it died. Or
: if anyone can point me in a direction to build iBCS2 stuff with
: binutils/gcc I'm all ears.
I'd actually be interested in that as well...
Warner
7:06 a.m.
[..]
The 3b2's were ok. I liked the ATT Unix PC, 3b1
(?). My roomate and
I in college both bought those and did a lot of hacking on them.
Yup. I used an AT&T 3b1/7300 all through college.
No ethernet. Polled for mail using dialup/UUCP.
I still have a couple 3b1 machines stored in the
garage...strange to think that the L2 caches on
the Xeon 5410 CPUs in my web server are larger than
the entire hard drive in my old UNIXpc. Shouldn't
computers be doing a whole lot more by now?
Maybe of mild interest to some, here is a scan of a
page from an old Byte article with benchmark data
comparing the 3b1 to some of its peers at the time
(TRS-80, VAX11/780, PC XT). Apologies for the quality
of the image. Some day I'll dig out the originals and
re-scan everything..
http://www.unixpc.org/bench1.gif
---corey
10:36 a.m.
Hello!
Corey where are you based? I'd just love to spend at least an hour or two
studying one of those old fellows. I actually investigated the weirdness
behind yet another somewhat old fashioned OS on one of those old fellow's
relatives. (An OS I am not going to mention unless someone wants to ask me
off-list.)
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"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:07 PM
To: Larry McVoy
Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SYSV & TCP/IP on the VAX...
[..]
The 3b2's were ok. I liked the ATT Unix PC,
3b1 (?). My roomate and
I in college both bought those and did a lot of hacking on them.
Yup. I used an AT&T 3b1/7300 all through college.
No ethernet. Polled for mail using dialup/UUCP.
I still have a couple 3b1 machines stored in the
garage...strange to think that the L2 caches on
the Xeon 5410 CPUs in my web server are larger than
the entire hard drive in my old UNIXpc. Shouldn't
computers be doing a whole lot more by now?
Maybe of mild interest to some, here is a scan of a
page from an old Byte article with benchmark data
comparing the 3b1 to some of its peers at the time
(TRS-80, VAX11/780, PC XT). Apologies for the quality
of the image. Some day I'll dig out the originals and
re-scan everything..
http://www.unixpc.org/bench1.gif
---corey
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6:25 a.m.
I think Lachman (where I was working at the
time) did a lot of streams based TCP/IP, they may have done one for
the vax.
Pre-SVR4 it was pretty much Lachman and Wollongong addons for pure
SYSV releases.
But why would you want it? It was a steaming pile of
sh*t.
Amen! It's a bloody miracle the Lachman code worked at all (on the 3B2
at least). The Wollongong code was better. But both faithfully
reproduced all the original BSD libc bugs.
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