In article by Martin Crehan: Does anybody know of other Usenet archives? There are some archives of comp.sources.* around. I've got much of the Minix and BSD newsgroups archived since 1992. I've also got 3 9-track tapes sitting here. One's labelled `News'; the others have labels: 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (mod) 25 feb 87 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (aus,comp,mod,net,news) 25 feb 87 I might try reading them in the next few days. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57011 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA57007 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA11320; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:31 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: VAX emulators In-Reply-To: &lt;199908280413.VAA22151(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net&gt; from Martin Crehan at "Aug 27, 1999 9:13:15 pm" To: mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net (Martin Crehan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Martin Crehan: No, I don't know of any free ones. I think DEC have one for the Alpha, but it's commercial. Does anybody know of a VAX emulator? I wonder if Bob Supnik would be working on one. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57118 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:50:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA57104 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU&gt;; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:49:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa &lt;SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: &lt;990829214947.232006ae(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; Subject: Re: VAX Emulators Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk What DEC has for the Alpha to let you run VAX code is VEST, which is a translator, not a pure emulator. Well, during 1977-1978 VAX instruction set development was done on an 11/70 running an emulator. Does that count? :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA57425 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA57421 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris@localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18883 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris &lt;norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au&gt; X-Sender: norris(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Reply-To: Stuart Norris &lt;norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au&gt; To: Unix Heritage Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Unix 5th and 6th Edition Filesystems for Linux In-Reply-To: &lt;199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-ID: &lt;Pine.OSF.3.95.990830115745.18933C-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I mentioned this to Warren a few months back, but I don't think I sent it out to the mailing list, so excuse me if I am repeating myself. Anyhow, I have hacked together a version of a Unix 5th (and 6th) Edition filesystem for Linux. It is read only, and was written for Linux 2.0 on an x86 and so will require a little work to install on other systems and newer kernels, but it is fun to be able to mount old disk images. Now only if I had the time to get it read-write ... [root@ebb disks]# ls -l total 2447 -rw------- 1 norris users 2494464 Feb 16 1999 ted_v6root [root@ebb disks]# mount -t u5e -o loop ted_v6root /mnt/u5e [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e [root@ebb u5e]# ls -l total 102 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1104 May 14 1975 bin drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1824 Aug 15 1975 dev drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 496 Aug 15 1975 etc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 hpunix drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 lib drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 32 May 14 1975 mnt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 rkunix drwxrwxrwt 2 adm sys 272 Aug 15 1975 tmp drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 u -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 28684 Aug 15 1975 unix drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 usr The source is sitting at http://www.maths.unsw.EDU.AU/~norris/software.html#u5e Untar the file into /usr/src/linux-2.0.XX/fs/u5e-0.2, make it, and stick the module into /lib/modules/2.0.XX/fs. Then mount your disk image with mount -t u5e -o loop <image> <mount point> Cheers, P.S. It is interesting to see that the GNU magic file is so up to date; [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e/lib [root@ebb u5e]# ls -la total 228 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 . drwxrwxr-x 10 adm sys 256 Aug 15 1975 .. -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 5064 Jul 18 1975 as2 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 15352 Jul 18 1975 c0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 21814 Jul 18 1975 c1 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 8188 Jul 18 1975 c2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 112 Jul 19 1975 crt0.o -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 17424 Jul 18 1975 fc0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 23822 Jul 18 1975 fc1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 136 Jul 19 1975 fcrt0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13810 Jul 18 1975 filib.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 340 Jul 18 1975 fr0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 14118 Jul 18 1975 liba.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 22042 Jul 19 1975 libc.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13958 Jul 18 1975 libf.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 27622 Jul 18 1975 libp.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 9982 Jul 19 1975 libs.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 3530 Jul 19 1975 liby.a -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 3144 Jul 18 1975 lpr -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 436 Jul 19 1975 mcrt0.o -rw-rw-rw- 1 root bin 8794 Jul 19 1975 tmgb [root@ebb u5e]# file * as2: PDP-11 pure executable c0: PDP-11 pure executable c1: PDP-11 pure executable c2: PDP-11 pure executable crt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped fc0: PDP-11 pure executable fc1: PDP-11 pure executable fcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped filib.a: very old PDP-11 archive fr0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped liba.a: very old PDP-11 archive libc.a: very old PDP-11 archive libf.a: very old PDP-11 archive libp.a: very old PDP-11 archive libs.a: very old PDP-11 archive liby.a: very old PDP-11 archive lpr: PDP-11 executable mcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped tmgb: very old PDP-11 archive -- Stuart Norris norris(a)mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA59473 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru (svs(a)d32-179.ropnet.ru [212.42.32.179]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA59469 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru by d32-179.ropnet.ru with for delivery to &quot;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&quot; id AA0209; Mon, 30 Aug 99 15:15:52 +0400 Message-Id: <19990830151551.22833@firepower> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:15:51 +0400 From: Sergey Svishchev &lt;svs(a)ropnet.ru&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Source of early Unix information Mail-Followup-To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au References: &lt;199908280450.VAA25771(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net&gt; &lt;199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89 In-Reply-To: &lt;199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; from Warren Toomey on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: If you do manage to read them, could you make INFO-VAX messages (if there are any, of course) available? I'd like to merge them with other INFO-VAX archives, for completeness. (I run a WebGlimpse-based searchable archive of classiccmp and INFO-VAX, URL below.) -- Sergey Svishchev -- &lt;svs(a)ropnet.ru&gt; -- http://mail-index.nice.ru/ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA60361 for pups-liszt; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from firewall.harker.com (IDENT:root@firewall.harker.com [192.102.231.125]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA60357 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [172.16.0.1]) by firewall.harker.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32678; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:51:29 -0700 Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA01191; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" &lt;harker(a)harker.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199908301445.HAA01191(a)harker.harker.com&gt; To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Older versions of SunOS Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Visited your web page and looked at your page for SunOS and Solaris I can add more history: I believe the first public release of SunOS was 0.9 so I will start there SunOS Aprox Date Comments _____ __________ _____________________________ 0.9 1983 First relase for the oldest Sun1 CPU boards As I recall the Sun1 CPU boards were 68000 boards (Maybe 68010?) with 256Kb ram on board. This relase was a quick and dirty port of AT&T's version of UNIX, not BSD. No window system. I ran the very last tech support workstation running SunOS 0.9, a machine called onefive (the name as I recall referred to the hardware. 1.0 1984 (1983?) First relase for the new Sun2 CPU boards. 68010 CPU and no memory on the mother board Introduced Sun's SunTools window system. 1.1 1984-03-12 From SunOS 1.1 Installation Guide First stable SunOS release (or so I was told as we upgraded systems to 1.1) Required Rev N PROMS on the mother board 2.0 1985-04-15 From "System Administration for the Sun Workstation" Revision history: "First Customer release of this System Administration Manual" Support for Sun2/50 and 2/160 VME based workstations. First general release of NFS and NIS 2.3 1986-03-21 From SunOS 2.3 Upgrade tape (Photocopy of Proof tape from SQA) 3.0 1986-02-17 From "Writing Device Drivers for the Sun Workstation" Supports new Sun 3 68020 architecture. 4.0 1988-05-09 From "SunOS 4.0 Change Notes" "Key improvements incorporated by SunOS 4.0 include: * New system architecture that promotes system resource sharing and portability across different hardware platforms. * Share library facility that reduces program size and swap space requirements. * Resizable swap area for diskless clients * Secure networking through the use of RPC (Remote Procedure Call). * NFS (Network File System) replaces ND (Network Disk) for diskless client systems. The Effect of this is to make system administration easier and more flexible. * All of the $.3 BSD network changes are incorporated including TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) and IP (Internet Protocol) performance improvements and subnetting. * Automount facility that automatically mounts accessible remote filesystems as needed." Supports new Sun 4 SPARC architecture. 4.0.3 1989-04-24 From "Documentation Erata and Changes Pages For SunOS Release 4.0.3" 4.0.3c 1989-06-06 From "SPARCstation-1 SunOS 4.0.3 Sun-4c Release Notes" 4.1 1990-03-27 From SunOS 4.1 "Installing The SunOS" Hope this helps to fill out the timeline. RLH Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239