28 Mar
2016
28 Mar
'16
8:18 p.m.
From: Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org>
SPL 7 was only used by the clock interrupt
Err, according to the 1975 Peripherals Handbook, both are BR6. (Sorry, only
interested in accuracy.)
even the published Unibus spec was known to be wrong,
in order to keep
3rd-party kit out of it (it was something subtle to do with buss timing,
so sometimes the card worked, and sometimes it didn't, doing wonders for
your reputation).
I don't know about that, but we built two UNIBUS DMA networking devices,
relying on the UNIBUS description in the 1975 Peripherals Handbook, and they
both worked fine (one became a product for Proteon).
Slightly longer? I think it was Lions himself who
used to teach us that
a lost interrupt is nasty :-(
The interrupt isn't lost, it's just that the OS does a WAIT when it should
perhaps return and start up some user process - but that resumption of doing
user computations is delayed by at most 1 clock tick (some other device may
interrupt during the WAIT, before the clock does).
Anyone here remember overlapped seeks on the RK-11
failing under Unix
I'd be interested in the details of this. The V6 RK driver didn't use them,
but the RK11-D does claim to support them (having spent a modest amount of
time looking at the drawings), so I'd very much like to know what the bug was.
I know that Kevin Dawson (I think) tried it on my /40
as well
The 11/40 does not have the SPL instruction; see the '75-'76 PDP-11 Processor
Handbook, pg. 4-5. (Again, sorry, just want to be accurate.)
Christ, but this is starting to sound like some
religion or other.
I am only interested in correct data.
Noel
28 Mar
28 Mar
8:44 p.m.
New subject: PDP-11/70 SPL
On 2016-03-28 16:18, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I don't think anything actually used SPL 7, as far as I can remember.
Right. A lost interrupt is a potential disaster and is never acceptable.
What we're talking about here is what happens after the interrupt.
I think I at least played around some with this on PDP-8 systems, and
seem to remember it working right there. But I have not done so on PDP-11s.
This is also a pretty important point. But one which also begs the
question how the splxxx() functions in Unix worked back then. Or did
Unix not use this pattern and these functions back when the 11/40 was
relevant?
My interest here is also very much on facts and technical points. I do
not want this to become some religious argument.
Johnny
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From: Dave
Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org>
SPL 7 was only used by the clock interrupt
Err, according to the 1975 Peripherals Handbook, both are BR6. (Sorry, only
interested in accuracy.) Slightly
longer? I think it was Lions himself who used to teach us that
a lost interrupt is nasty :-(
The interrupt isn't lost, it's just that the OS does a WAIT when it should
perhaps return and start up some user process - but that resumption of doing
user computations is delayed by at most 1 clock tick (some other device may
interrupt during the WAIT, before the clock does). Anyone here
remember overlapped seeks on the RK-11 failing under Unix
I'd be interested in the details of this. The V6 RK driver didn't use them,
but the RK11-D does claim to support them (having spent a modest amount of
time looking at the drawings), so I'd very much like to know what the bug was.
I know that
Kevin Dawson (I think) tried it on my /40 as well
The 11/40 does not have the SPL instruction; see the '75-'76 PDP-11 Processor
Handbook, pg. 4-5. (Again, sorry, just want to be accurate.) Christ, but
this is starting to sound like some religion or other.
I am only interested in correct data.
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