Re: Sam and Late BTL Work (was End of an era: the last ATC (USENIX Annual Technical Conference))
18 Jul
2025
18 Jul
'25
6:40 a.m.
On Thursday, July 17th, 2025 at 10:44 PM, Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sam had it, acme took it (and much else) from Sam.
-rob
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 3:22 PM Noel Hunt <noel.hunt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > But that is far less useful than having two windows into the same
> > file where the mods to each window go to the same file. Think
> > looking at code that has the structs at the top of the file and you
> > need to wack a struck and wack the code that uses that struct.
> > Quite pleasant.
>
>
> You will find that this is exactly what 'Zerox' in acme does.
Sam is indeed nice but I have not quite gotten to the point of using it daily. For my
hobby projects I rarely launch an X session, opting to simply work from the framebuffer
console instead. I don't have a graphical editor of choice these days though so Sam
is certainly on the docket whenever I start using a windowing environment heavily outside
of web browsing again. End of the day though I like being able to do the bulk of what I
do sitting at any given computer from the console. I have a VT100 that I've finally
restored to perfect health I plan on setting up in my bedroom as a true terminal (routed
through my Dataphone modems down to my office machine).
To hopefully inspire some interesting discussion, was Sam ever formally supported by
AT&T as an editor in System V, either OpenLook or X environments? Or did it never
escape Plan 9 as far as AT&T's commercial UNIX offerings go? In a more general
sense I find the later genetic flow from BTL et. al. to USL intriguing since the Labs were
already onto things so far ahead of what System V was in the commercial scene.
- Matt G.
18 Jul
18 Jul
9:18 a.m.
New subject: Sam and Late BTL Work (was End of an era: the last ATC (USENIX Annual Technical Conference))
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 06:40:10AM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
On Thursday, July 17th, 2025 at 10:44 PM, Rob Pike
<robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"This is the ad for sam, which is going in the toolchest imminently.
...
Sam is available for several systems, including System V, 9th Edition,
4.[23]BSD and SUNOS, with terminal support for 5620s, 630s, SUNWindows
and X11."
Rob Pike in comp.unix.questions Jul 15, 1988
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.questions/c/lG7x8T2EDjo/m/JhteY7eDVN8J
toolchest referring to the paid AT&T UNIX System Toolchest service.
By 1992, Sam for Unix could be downloaded with anonymous FTP.
announced by Rob Pike in comp.os.research Nov 5, 1992
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.research/c/fvfHNv_t_Dw/m/UYDRogQ1ePEJ
Sam had it, acme took it (and much else) from
Sam.
-rob
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 3:22 PM Noel Hunt <noel.hunt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > But that is far less useful than having two windows into the same
> > file where the mods to each window go to the same file. Think
> > looking at code that has the structs at the top of the file and you
> > need to wack a struck and wack the code that uses that struct.
> > Quite pleasant.
>
>
> You will find that this is exactly what 'Zerox' in acme does.
Sam is indeed nice but I have not quite gotten to the point of using it daily. For my
hobby projects I rarely launch an X session, opting to simply work from the framebuffer
console instead. I don't have a graphical editor of choice these days though so Sam
is certainly on the docket whenever I start using a windowing environment heavily outside
of web browsing again. End of the day though I like being able to do the bulk of what I
do sitting at any given computer from the console. I have a VT100 that I've finally
restored to perfect health I plan on setting up in my bedroom as a true terminal (routed
through my Dataphone modems down to my office machine).
To hopefully inspire some interesting discussion, was Sam ever formally supported by
AT&T as an editor in System V, either OpenLook or X environments? Or did it never
escape Plan 9 as far as AT&T's commercial UNIX offerings go? In a more general
sense I find the later genetic flow from BTL et. al. to USL intriguing since the Labs were
already onto things so far ahead of what System V was in the commercial scene.
- Matt G.
2:25 p.m.
New subject: Sam and Late BTL Work (was End of an era: the last ATC (USENIX Annual Technical Conference))
I use sam daily.
I first used it from the tool chest on a 630 (which I still have).
I went to Acme for a while, then back to sam.
I also still use Plan 9 for all our products and development.
Brantley
On Jul 18, 2025, at 5:18 AM, Jonathan Gray
<jsg(a)jsg.id.au> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 06:40:10AM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
On Thursday, July 17th, 2025 at 10:44 PM, Rob
Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"This is the ad for sam, which is going in the toolchest imminently.
...
Sam is available for several systems, including System V, 9th Edition,
4.[23]BSD and SUNOS, with terminal support for 5620s, 630s, SUNWindows
and X11."
Rob Pike in comp.unix.questions Jul 15, 1988
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.questions/c/lG7x8T2EDjo/m/JhteY7eDVN8J
toolchest referring to the paid AT&T UNIX System Toolchest service.
By 1992, Sam for Unix could be downloaded with anonymous FTP.
announced by Rob Pike in comp.os.research Nov 5, 1992
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.research/c/fvfHNv_t_Dw/m/UYDRogQ1ePEJ
Sam had it, acme took it (and much else) from
Sam.
-rob
On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 3:22 PM Noel Hunt <noel.hunt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> But that is far less useful than having two windows into the same
>> file where the mods to each window go to the same file. Think
>> looking at code that has the structs at the top of the file and you
>> need to wack a struck and wack the code that uses that struct.
>> Quite pleasant.
>
>
> You will find that this is exactly what 'Zerox' in acme does.
Sam is indeed nice but I have not quite gotten to the point of using it daily. For my
hobby projects I rarely launch an X session, opting to simply work from the framebuffer
console instead. I don't have a graphical editor of choice these days though so Sam
is certainly on the docket whenever I start using a windowing environment heavily outside
of web browsing again. End of the day though I like being able to do the bulk of what I
do sitting at any given computer from the console. I have a VT100 that I've finally
restored to perfect health I plan on setting up in my bedroom as a true terminal (routed
through my Dataphone modems down to my office machine).
To hopefully inspire some interesting discussion, was Sam ever formally supported by
AT&T as an editor in System V, either OpenLook or X environments? Or did it never
escape Plan 9 as far as AT&T's commercial UNIX offerings go? In a more general
sense I find the later genetic flow from BTL et. al. to USL intriguing since the Labs were
already onto things so far ahead of what System V was in the commercial scene.
- Matt G.
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