Howdy - I don't know what the problem with Ultrix is but I suspect your trouble with System-III is similar to what I wasted a couple days on eons ago Spent a fruitless couple days trying to get Sys-III going on a 11/44 only to have it dawn on me that Sys-III didn't have *any* UMR support except for the DH-11 - thus an 11/70 with MASSBUS devices was the only thing Sys-III would run on. As far as I know no effort was put into Sys-III to deal with 22 bit machines that didn't have a MASSBUS (a la 11/70). PERHAPS that is what is biting you? Feels likely. I know that no effort was put in to supporting UMRs on 22bit systems such as the 11/44. The Supnik and Begemot emulators offer up a ~kdj-11 (11/53, 73, ...) and not an 11/70 so it could be that Sys-III is trying to do something 11/70'ish that KDJ-11 based systems don't offer. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00889 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:39:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in [202.141.1.17]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00885 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:39:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (ece.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.2]) by uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA05114 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:26 +0530 Received: from protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in by ece.iisc.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29573; Thu, 21 Oct 99 09:09:06+0530 Received: from localhost (basker@localhost) by protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24170 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:34:09 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:34:09 +0530 (IST) From: "P.BASKER" <basker(a)protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in> Reply-To: "P.BASKER" <basker(a)protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: assembler? In-Reply-To: <199910210259.TAA16059(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991021082828.24006A-100000(a)protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi , Im interested in a PDP-11 assembler that has the MACRO-11 syntax, I got a book, "Introduction to Computer Systems using the PDP-11 and Pascal" by McEwans, Thought it would be nice to have the assembler to check out. I hope the assembler is a load and go assembler cum simulator. I want to check out some PDP-11 assembly on my linux machine. Does anyone remember a program called "apout" I think that might work for cross development (learning). Bye P.Basker Research Program Asst, ECE Dept IISc, India Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01039 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:03:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01035 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:03:38 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id OAA00539; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:02:36 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199910210402.OAA00539(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: assembler? In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991021082828.24006A-100000(a)protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in> from "P.BASKER" at "Oct 21, 1999 8:34: 9 am" To: basker(a)protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:02:36 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by P.BASKER: Yes, I wrote Apout. It runs user-mode programs from V5, V6, V7, 2.9BSD and 2.11BSD. So if you could find an assembler for any of these systems which met your requirements, and produced .o files which could be linked using the normal Unix linker, you'd be okay. However, I haven't heard of a Unix assembler with MACRO-11 syntax, and Apout only runs PDP-11 Unix binaries. So you probably would be better off with a full emulator running a DEC OS with MACRO-11. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01742 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:06:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01732 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:06:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id IAA21266; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:51:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA44603; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:01:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Message-Id: <199910202301.BAA44603(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: booting archived Sys III and Ultrix 3.x images In-Reply-To: <199910202028.NAA49448(a)mrynet.com> from PUPS mailing list at "Oct 20, 1999 1:28:36 pm" To: pups(a)mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko(a)freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk As PUPS mailing list wrote ... Ultrix-11 V3.1 works just fine on my 11/83. I supplied the binary images to PUPS from the .5" reel tape ;-) So, yes it can work. My PDP is now running 2.11BSD btw. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03366 for pups-liszt; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:56:31 +1000 (EST)