26 Oct
1999
26 Oct
'99
6:07 a.m.
In article by Eric Fischer:
I don't believe the concept of group permissions existed then...
Brian D. Chase writes,
There's a binary of dc from either 1st or 2nd Edition in the PUPS Archive:
-r---wxrw- 0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc
Warren
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Just a quick question. Was the `dc' command
introduced with one of the
BSD releases or did it exist in an earlier version of Unix like the 6th or
7th Edition?
It appears in the First Edition manual, and according to A Quarter
Century of Unix, it's even older than that.
eric From Brian D Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com> Tue Oct 26
10:23:42 1999
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From: Brian D Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com>
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On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Warren Toomey wrote:
There's a binary of dc from either 1st or 2nd
Edition in the PUPS Archive:
-r---wxrw- 0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc
Hmmm... did the permissions on files have the same meaning back in 1973 as
they do now? Group and "other" writeable system binaries? Tsk tsk tsk.
Well I suppose just because someone has written the Unix operating system,
it doesn't necessarily mean that they're a very good Unix sysadmin.
-brian.
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In article by Brian D Chase:
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Warren Toomey wrote:
No, the perms have got stuffed up in conversion from 1st Ed permissions
to the tar archive. 1st Edition had no groups, and only had perms
01 write for other
02 read for other
04 write for owner [ all octal values ]
10 read for owner
20 executable
40 set-UID
Warren
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There's a binary of dc from either 1st or
2nd Edition in the PUPS Archive:
-r---wxrw- 0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc
Hmmm... did the permissions on files have the same meaning back in 1973 as
they do now? Group and "other" writeable system binaries? Tsk tsk tsk.
Well I suppose just because someone has written the Unix operating system,
it doesn't necessarily mean that they're a very good Unix sysadmin. From Dave Horsfall <dave(a)fgh.geac.com.au> Tue Oct
26 10:33:59 1999
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On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Brian D Chase wrote:
-r---wxrw-
0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc
Hmmm... did the permissions on files have the same meaning back in 1973 as
they do now? Group and "other" writeable system binaries? Tsk tsk tsk.
Well I suppose just because someone has written the
Unix operating system,
it doesn't necessarily mean that they're a very good Unix sysadmin.
On the other hand, people actually trusted each other, because you
all worked with each other, and it was common for someone to write a
utility and stick it on the system. Hint: /usr wasn't called that for
no reason...
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27 Oct
27 Oct
8:15 a.m.
New subject: When did the `dc' command first appear?
On Tuesday, 26 October 1999 at 10:07:44 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
In article by Eric Fischer:
Wouldn't that be the Third Edition with that timestamp? I won't
comment again about the permissions.
Greg
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Brian D. Chase writes,
There's a binary of dc from either 1st or 2nd Edition in the PUPS Archive:
-r---wxrw- 0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc Just a quick question. Was the `dc' command
introduced with one of the
BSD releases or did it exist in an earlier version of Unix like the 6th or
7th Edition?
It appears in the First Edition manual, and according to A Quarter
Century of Unix, it's even older than that.
eric
28 Oct
28 Oct
5:48 a.m.
New subject: When did the `dc' command first appear?
In article by Greg Lehey:
The binary is an 0405 a.out file. I'm told by Norman Wilson, who has
paper copies of the 2nd & 3rd Edition manuals, that 0405 binaries didn't
exist in 2nd & 3rd Edition.
I also believe that the files in the s2.tar tarball sent in by Dennis
are a whole year off, and so the date above should be Apr 14, 1972.
That dates the file just before the release of 2nd Edition.
I really need to sit down & outline my reasons for believing that the
dates are a year out. I'll do so soon & email it here!
Cheers all,
Warren
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There's a
binary of dc from either 1st or 2nd Edition in the PUPS Archive:
-r---wxrw- 0/0 6846 Apr 14 06:50 1973 bin/dc
Wouldn't that be the Third Edition with that timestamp? I won't
comment again about the permissions.
Greg
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